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August 19, 2008

As the Olympics wound down, I found myself getting anxious. Anxious about what was next and where we go from here. Everywhere I went, people that had no association with swimming wanted to talk some swimming. People knew that I was obsessed and wanted some insight. They wanted to talk about Phelps, of course, but they wanted to talk about Lezak too, or what happened to Brendan Hansen. Swimming exploded to the front page of major newspapers, magazines and websites that otherwise never mentioned its existence.

Don't get me wrong, I love all the attention swimming is getting. However, I still remember that eight years ago all of my high school classmates knew who Ian Thorpe was. When I mention the Thorpedo to a non-swimming audience today, I get mostly puzzled looks. As famous as Phelps is today, with a facebook page exceeding Will Smith among others, there is a serious chance that many people will forget about him soon after he retires.

I heard my first whisper of Phelps backlash today. If you've read my posts you know I am a fan of sports radio and podcasts. My favorite is the BS Report with Bill Simmons, who unfortunately is embroiled in writing a basketball book and hasn't recorded one for nearly three weeks. Turning to other sources, I have reluctantly started listening to one of Bill's friends, Dave Dameshek. Dameshek is a sports radio host in Los Angeles.

Now I know the point of sports radio hosts is often to enflame, so I remained calm while listening to Dave discuss Phelps. He put forth the argument that swimming was a "fringe" sport that very few people competed in. His guest concurred, even going so far as to say that athletes like Michael Jordan could have been one of the best at "15-20" sports, while Phelps could only succeed at one. While I'm sure we all know the appropriate counter arguments, this is just another piece of the Phelps backlash that we've read and then discussed on this site, including the Tribune article and some British guy named Brendan Gallagher.

For every one of these though, there has been the respect paid to Phelps by numerous others. I often joke with friends that one of my career goals is to be bashed mercilessly as a terrible swim coach on an anonymous forum. To spark such vitriol you often have to be very very good at what you do. Therefore perhaps we should be happy that so much effort is being put into bringing Michael Phelps down. If he wasn't so high up, no one would be trying.

On a completely unrelated note, I'm taking a vacation. I'll be back soon, and ready to unleash a post I've been writing in my head for months. Perhaps you've read the Slacker's Guide's to Training Trip and Taper survival? Get ready for the Slacker's Guide to College Coaching Survival: A Do-It-Yourself Guide to Ruining Swimming for Kids 18-22.



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#32
Anonymous Coward   August 25, 2008 at 3:15pm
I hope you don't use names in this new guide haha
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Mike Mooney   August 21, 2008 at 2:43pm
Good News! NBC/USA Network is planning on televising the '09 World Championships!

http://community.tvguide.com/blog-entry/TVGuide-News-Blog/Tv-Guide-Sports/Phelps-Effect-Nbc/800045486&
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Anonymous Coward   August 21, 2008 at 11:45am
An 800 medley would be cool. But ya i think if they took out the two 4x50 relays it would be a good start at moving away from the completely sprint dominated NCAAs
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Ed Wagner   August 21, 2008 at 11:14am
listen to jon urbanchek talking about swimming... http://www.floswimming.org/videos/speaker/523-jon-urbanchek/7460-tell-it-like-it-is

"i mean...I can hardly sit through a meet myself. 1500? time to go get a hot dog, take a leak, and i come back and they're still on the same race" haha
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Mike Mooney   August 21, 2008 at 11:10am
could you imagine
Lochte - 1:53.9
Hansen - 2:08.5
Phelps - 1:52.0
PVK - 1:45.1
7:47.5
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Mike Mooney   August 21, 2008 at 11:02am
I've always wanted to see an 800 medley relay. I think it would be a different twist than the 400 medley because there are many swimmers who specialize at the 200 distance rather than the 100s.
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Jeff   August 21, 2008 at 10:19am
How about a Men's 8x50 relay?
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Stewart Cink   August 21, 2008 at 9:29am
The 800 Medley would be an excellent race at the NCAA, Club, and International levels. The 4 x 500 would be interesting to see. The lead could change many times. Have you seen women's golf lately? There are some fly honeys.
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Answer   August 21, 2008 at 12:02am
to answer your question, it would lower swimming to the "just barely above women's professional golf" standard in boring.
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Mike Mooney   August 20, 2008 at 5:08pm
I always wondered how a 4x500 relay would go...
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zachf   August 20, 2008 at 4:58pm
So would you like 4x500 and 4x1000 relays?
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Anonymous Coward   August 20, 2008 at 4:11pm
The sprints DO take away from distance swimming. You win NCAAs through relays. There are FOUR relays where all you need is a 50/100 swimmer. So colleges need ~ 8-12 sprinters and need what, 2, 3? distance swimmers.
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Mike Mooney   August 20, 2008 at 2:26pm
I do not believe that the sprint relays take away from distance, I was just saying the addition of events would be nice. I was also thinking another distance event should be added, so both men and women have both the 800 and 1500. The Men's 800 and Women's 1500 are swum in almost all other LCM meets, there really is no reason why it isn't in the Olympics. I would also think it would be better if the NCAA added the 1000 to the schedule at Nationals. Div II has it, and I think it would make sense having it because there are three sprint free races, 50/100/200, one on each day, so why not do the same for distance with the 500/1000/1650.
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Stewart Cink   August 20, 2008 at 2:07pm
Did you skip the last chapter? Chuck Warner discusses how the dominance of the US in the distance events fell significantly after the NCAA added the sprint free and medley relays. That created the "I am a sprinter" way of thinking. We all know that not all swimmers are sprinters, but too many want to be.
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John Gullotta   August 20, 2008 at 9:37am
Another great blog!! Have a good vacation!
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? For Stewart   August 20, 2008 at 9:34am
Hey Stewart,
I have read Four Champions One Gold Medal and I was wondering how that led to the demise for Distance Swimming? Is it because those guys worked so hard to get to that point, and nobody wants to do that? Or is there some other reason Im missing...
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Stewart Cink   August 20, 2008 at 9:20am
Quit talking about the sprint relays at the Olympics. Did you not read Four Champions One Gold Medal? That started the demise of distance swimming in the US. We started coming back from it, but that would start the downward spiral all over again.

Chris, thanks for another great blog. I believe that the average person WILL remember Phelps, just like they remembered Spitz. He will go down in history as the greatest swimmer...that is until someone comes along and beats him. I just hope that I am alive to see it.
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Mish   August 20, 2008 at 3:13am
You know what I just love floswimming..I am soo glad this site exists..have a nice vacation chris and look foward to more when you return...:)
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Brian Lee   August 20, 2008 at 1:50am
awesomely relevant post, chris. michael phelps did a phenomenal job, but i really wonder if he has the power to substantially transform the sport's viewership. what needs to happen is some sort of format change - something to make live swimming interesting to casual fans. my sense is that there's still a lot of low-hanging fruit out there... below is a great account of olympic swimming from an "average fan" : the fast swimming was there, the story was there, the star athlete was there. the drama and the excitement were not...
http://www.slate.com/id/2197254/entry/2197687/
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BigGuy   August 20, 2008 at 1:17am
We need some more Mike Gustafson blogs. Why aren't you joining the Battle of the Bloggers?
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Superdude   August 19, 2008 at 10:49pm
Mike Gustafson!!! I love your chlorination show, I tell all my swimmer friends about it. I especially like the race club video with Gary Hall.
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Matt Salzberg   August 19, 2008 at 8:40pm
I really do hope that he does continue to change how the sport is viewed around the world, and I hope that we swimmers take the spotlight more than during the 1st week of each olympics.

And Chris, I am very excited to read your "Guide to Ruining Swimming for Kids 18-22." I've been doing this sport for 15 seasons now, but I'm curious to see if I have survived any of your "torture" methods.
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Drew Schneider   August 19, 2008 at 8:04pm
i love the idea for the next post.
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Hello!~   August 19, 2008 at 7:49pm
not gonna lie i agree with that guy when he said phelps could only be good at one. he doesnt seem to be the most coordinated guy in the world. and really the only othe rsport jordan could most likely excell in would be football. he can fun jump and catch. he obviously isnt the best baseball player in the world..
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Jeff Grace   August 19, 2008 at 6:19pm
Okay you have fuelled the fire for my "The Winner is..." post

Battle of the Bloggers - Me = 100 you = 88, there are more words to come
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Mike Gustafson   August 19, 2008 at 5:45pm
PS - I agree with Mr. Cooker. Upload more posts during your vacation. Great column as usual Mr. Desantis, thought provoking.
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Chris DeSantis   August 19, 2008 at 5:44pm
Yeah maybe I should make a few about you, Pressure Cooker. I think I've already outlined the huge advantages I have over Jeff and Mrs. Coach.

Canada=Bryan Adams=Jeff
USA=Journey=Me
Therefore, because Journey>Canada I am > Jeff
As for Mrs. Coach, there is a long list. For one, I am definitely taller than her. I also have WAY more chest hair.
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Pressure Cooker   August 19, 2008 at 5:26pm
You should make some really killer posts during your vacation since that Canadian and Mrs. Coach are challenging you for floswimming blogger supremacy.
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Mike Gustafson   August 19, 2008 at 5:20pm
It's Tuesday, 3:14pm PST, and Phelps has 1,118,614 fans on Facebook.com. Never, ever, ever before would I have imagined that. Michael Phelps will not be forgotten once he retires (4+ years). Sports talk personalities to get paid to stir the pot, but the numbers don't lie. NBC's Los Angeles affiliate even filmed a minority swim meet (with Phelps reaction) as their 'top' story. Of course, swimming won't stay in the limelight. But our generation's perspective on swimming has changed, somewhat similar to how Tiger changed people's perspectives on golf (less political, more simply "wow that's actually a cool sport".) I thank Phelps for giving me two of the most exciting moments in sport I've ever seen. Those highlights are forever immortal in Olympic/sporting lore... despite what Bill Simmon's friends say.
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Mike Mooney   August 19, 2008 at 4:00pm
Agreed. I would like to see Worlds next year on NBC rather than be sitting at my computer watching it, or seeing a tape-delayed/shortened version at some random time in the morning. In addition, rather than having the let-down in the Olympic viewing following swimming, it would be nice to add some more events and extend the meet! 50s of Stroke/4x50 Relays! Who wouldn't love to see a 4x50m Free Relay? Close and exciting races are going to keep people (such as those who would not always watch swimming) watching!
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Matt Salzberg   August 19, 2008 at 3:35pm
I've heard and read some of the same things that those radio guys were talking about. What got me even more incensed was when reading the Yahoo! Sports article about Phelps' 8 gold medals the second post said "Wait for the drug tests to come back." After reading that I almost wanted throw something.

Because of the pervasive nature of drug use that has overtaken our country, every fantastic athletic achievement is associated with drug-use by those not in the know. We know that Phelps made an olympic team at 15, broke his first world record after his olympic 200 fly, obliterated world records at 2003 Worlds in Barcelona, went into Athens and went 6-0-2, then continued to steamroll for the past 4 years into Beijing (with perhaps a slight hic-up at Montreal in 2005- only 4 golds i believe). And we know that he has NEVER failed a drug test in the past 8 years of dominance. And yet people, albeit a small minority and not a very powerful minority, are questioning the validity of his performance.
It is true that the greater population couldn't tell me the difference between a grab start and a track start, but I am perfectly fine with that. As long as they know the major players (Phelps, Lochte, Coughlin, Lezak) then swimming will hopefully begin to make a mark on the world. And if NBC is at all smart (which isn't likely) then future international competitions (worlds, Pan Pacs) will be shown in a similar manner as trials and the olympics to keep the sport in the publics eye (and for NBC to make a boat load of money). After all, NBC right now is apparently sweating out this next week without life Phelps each night.
Well that was sort of a long rant... ok. That's my 2 cents.
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Mike Mooney   August 19, 2008 at 11:52am
Chris, Ive heard the same types of things. Many people still won't give swimming [or Phelps' accomplishments] it's fair due. I was watching ESPN the other day and they were discussing the significance of the Eight medals with three radio hosts from around the country. One of them, from Tampa, basically had the same words as the guy you listened to. But, the thing that struck me was that in his argument, the guy said that sure Phelps has won eight gold medals, but he hasn't done it in the "prime event" of swimming, in his words "the 100 meter individual medley." Due to this individuals lack of swimming knowledge, I will give him the benefit of the doubt that he meant the 100m Free, but seriously? I've heard this from a few of these so-called sport experts - that the 100m free is the most important, competitive, etc. event and since Phelps did not try to win it, his accomplishments are not as great. This isn't track where the 100m is the "prime" event and the winner is the "fastest man alive," partly because swimming includes the 50m free, but also because swimming has Back, Breast, and Fly, along with distance, while track only has hurdles and distance. If this guy knew anything, he would understand that Phelps doesn't even train the 100m Free, but still holds the AR, and if he wanted to train and focus on it, he could hold the WR as well. This is what drives me crazy - if people are going to cover/follow swimming, please understand it before they act like an authority on it!
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Chris DeSantis is the Assistant Swimming Coach at Georgia Tech. In his spare time, he's trying to learn everything about swimming. Got a complaint, correction or suggestion? Post a comment or send him a message and expect a speedy response!
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