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The Pros and Cons of Modeling: Finding a Unique Formula

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December 3, 2008

This post is inspired by a number of recent events. First, I watched Michael Phelps on 60 Minutes Sunday night. The next day, i saw an interview with the author of a recent Mark Spitz biography. Then finally, the nail in the coffin came with Darian Townsend's excellent blog about the unpredictability of training and rest.

The Phelps and Spitz interviews brought into focus a topic that has often concerned me. There is a deep tradition in our sport to want to make models out of the top athletes. The belief is that because a swimmer is a World record holder or Olympic Gold medalist, they must have the best technique/training/mentality. Phelps is the most famous and successful athlete in our sport, so he is the most often modeled. But before him it was Thorpe, and probably Popov before that and Biondi before that (with various stroke swimmers in the other strokes). I have a vivid memory of when Denis Pankratov had the "perfect" stroke.

On top of this, how many times have we heard of Phelps' yardage or gotten glimpses of workouts. What's the curiousity? People want to see how the best train. I read an article once that talked about how much Grant Hackett can bench! Also, we heard perpetually about the "surfer cool" psyche of Aaron Peirsol.

The truth is, there is a lot to admire about the best athletes in our sport. They are on top because they do all the things that go into fast swimming above average. They are exceptional in many ways. By using them for modeling, most swimmers can see some part of what made those swimmers successful and hopefully emulate it. But there's a danger to modeling. I can't tell you how many times I've heard, as I mentioned above, about the "perfect" stroke. In the interview I saw with Spitz, the author talked about Spitz going into the flume prior to his 1992 "comeback" and how the flume still had him with a "perfect" stroke. Lets roll footage:

Does that look perfect to you? Should every swimmer emulate that stroke? How about Denis Pankratov's butterfly?

A lot to admire certainly. But when Michael Klim surpassed Pankratov as world's best, was it proof that he was better in all respects? No. The sum of Michael Klim's performance was better, but the difference is so slight that I can comfortably say that there are some parts of Klim that were inferior to Pankratov. You could apply this to any of the "models".

To further complicate matters, it is likely that there exists a perfect technique/training/psyche for Phelps that is likely not to be perfect for another athlete like Thorpe. Much the same, the formula for success for any of you is likely to not be identical to Phelps. Darian Townsend talked about what he thought was an excellent training plan and well-executed taper. Then he spent some time resting far more than he would ever consider and swam faster. This is not an uncommon phenomenon in our sport.

The last point that I want to address is that of strengths and weaknesses. Often as coaches and swimmers, we can focus really intently on our weaknesses. Looking at one of these "perfect" strokes side by side with our own, you can see a lot of flaws. At the same time, you have to keep in mind that your relative level of success has come from doing a lot of things right. If I were a pessimistic coach looking at Phelps, I would have this commentary:

"Not a lot of sprint speed. Poor breaststroke kick".

Bob Bowman could spend all his time trying to make Phelps more of a sprinter and hone his breaststroke kick, but that would be ignoring some pretty obvious strengths. At the same time you are addressing weaknesses, you must keep your strengths in mind. To use another example, Aaron Peirsol was not an invincible backstroker in yards because the other swimmers of his caliber were slightly better at turns and dolphin kick. Does that mean he should spend all his time trying to make his underwater dolphin as good as Tomomi Morita or should he get even better at what he's already doing great on top of the water? The things you do best in the pool have a lot to do with your own unique talents. Imagine if they had made Albert Einstein keep repeating grade school to get it right...

 



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#26
Michael Bowen   December 5, 2008 at 5:00pm
Could that be due to the element of choice? Intrinsic v. extrinsic motivation?

Probably we are walking right into another really nifty topic. :)
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Chris DeSantis   December 5, 2008 at 3:57pm
Purely based on anecdotal evidence I would say that masters swimmers have the most intrinsic joy (i.e. you are most likely to run into people at masters practice as opposed to a high school workout).
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Michael Bowen   December 5, 2008 at 3:52pm
Good point; to find assumes an active search, rather than a passive wait. There have been other occasions which reconfirm the joy of the activity; my wife says she sees my excitement to head out the door 3-4x/week for a swim workout, sometimes at 5:30am. Perhaps the search for what brings an individual athlete joy is a more personal thing than I've described...the PR example withers quite quickly in the warmth of intellectual discussion.

Does this elusive intrinsic nugget, joy, vary in quality between populations of athletes, say from club to HS to college to masters'? Is there a single, binding, immutable element that exists in all these groups?
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Chris DeSantis   December 5, 2008 at 9:48am
You won't find inherent joy as long as you are waiting for something external to bring it to you (best time, etc).
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Michael Bowen   December 5, 2008 at 9:44am
So true, DQ! I think your assumptions in the first paragraph are "The Secret" once you take away individual mechanics:
- Year-round dedication to the sport.
- Train with as high a volume of quality work as possible (as a running coach, I talk to my athletes about the concept of 'junk mileage').
- Find the joy inherent in the activity.

Finding joy might be the hardest part. As runner-turned-tri-geek/swimmer/runner, I've experienced "runner's high" all of two times in the 40,000+ miles of training/racing I've logged over 15-plus years. Joy while running has come more often from a personal best time, or helping one of my athletes achieve a personal best time. I've had a couple of mornings in the pool over the past two years where everything seemed to flow & I felt like the hand of God (or of someone) was holding me up in the water in that perfect position. Maybe it was that thing Popov meant when he talked about sharing the same spirit as the water.
Okay, perhaps I'm getting too intellectual or spiritual about something that shouldn't be. Time to switch to decaf.
And Chris, that Pankratov clip is *too* cool. I can't watch it here at my office, but I can at home. :)
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Lazy Login'er   December 4, 2008 at 10:09pm
How about the belly flop at the top of the screen at the 1:20 mark of Spitz video. Hilarious...
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DQ!   December 4, 2008 at 4:30pm
Great topic! Being a swimmer my entire life I have come to the conclusion that there is no such thing as a perfect stroke and that no two strokes are the same. Grant Hackett, Cesar Ceilo and Micheal Phelps all have a completely different way of swimming freestyle, yet all have been relatively succesful with their own method. The only obvious commmon denominator between these guys is superior god given ability. I would also assume that all three of them swim year round, train 5-6 hours per day with a positive attitude and enjoy what they do.
If you were to create a human robot and upload Micheal Phelps freestyle technique onto that robot you would also have to make sure that robot has the same shoulder flexibility, same hand size, same ability to repeat a stroke and so on. Any inforior feature of that robot to Phelps and the robot would not be able to output the same results as Phelps. Apply this to human beings and the same thing is true. Some people will blow their shoulders out if they try to repeat what Phelps does. That does not mean this person can not be succesful relative to their own god given ability with their own stroke that they can repeat without injury.
Modeling is good in the sense that we as humans learn new things that apply to all people such as the streamline kick under water being faster than swimming on top or that having a faster stroke rate with a longer stroke = a faster time. These new things can help the swimming body as a whole get faster, as incomming 8 and unders are tought more efficient ways to swim, but its not going to turn your kid into Micheal Phelps. Most individual improvements come from growth spurts, or some kind of improvement in strength and conditioning. It is very difficult to change the mussle memory of an experienced swimmer. This might mean hitting a plateau and putting in 10x the effort for a tenth a second drop in a 100 free. There really is no magic pill or model out there to turn Johnny into an olympian.
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Michael Bowen   December 4, 2008 at 2:27pm
Gotcha. I should have made the presumption we were talking pool swimming. Thanks!
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Chris DeSantis   December 4, 2008 at 10:03am
Yes definitely. Thats why I was careful to say "pool" swimming since we don't have races longer than 1500 meters, which takes a little bit longer than the running 5k.
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Michael Bowen   December 4, 2008 at 8:59am
Good thoughts on aerobic base, Chris. From the running side of the street, Lydiard was of the opinion that aerobic base was limitless, therefore aerobic base could always be improved.

Now, pardon my ignorance (I'm relatively new to swimming, much the same reasons "Mrs. Coach" came into the sport, result of marathoning/injuries), but would open-water/long-distance swimmers have anything close to the aerobic load in training as long-distance runners (half-marathon to marathon)?
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Pawel Rogalewicz   December 4, 2008 at 6:02am
Lately there's been a lot of unnecessary comments on floswimming, I personaly think it would be cool if actually login in was a must to post a comment. We could probably avoid a lot of trash which doesnt provide any useful info.

On topic...I agree with Jimmy Morris in 100%.
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Chris DeSantis   December 3, 2008 at 9:26pm
@ The Real One,

Please feel free to send me a personal message. I won't hold your insults against you. I think you'll find I'm pretty ego-free. I write a blog for floswimming because I think its a great site and I am a huge nerd for swimming. Many people seem to enjoy it. I'm sorry that you didn't. If you have a good idea for some original thought I would love to hear it.
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The Real 1   December 3, 2008 at 9:03pm
typical ivy boy, you simply talk to hear yourself talk, your post really contains nothing that is original, simply put "what works for the individual is best"...see how easy it is when you park your ego...
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Jimmy Morris   December 3, 2008 at 4:10pm
I think the perfect stroke is all really relative swimmer to swimmer. For example, a backstroke technique that works for the towering Matt Grevers who stands at 6' 8'' might not be the "perfect stroke" for someone who is a foot or more shorter.

The example that Chris provided with Pankratov who people have claimed have the perfect butterfly is a side breather like the US great Mel Stewart works for them while Phelps who breathes every stroke. That works for them and their body and their natural rhythm.
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Anonymous Coward   December 3, 2008 at 2:13pm
This is so true about the best not always being the perfect model. Mark Spitz is a good example, he came and spoke to my team and told us all about how he ate ice cream after practice, skipped out on training, cheated in practice, and relied basically all on natural talent. To me thats the opposite of a perfect model...
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Chris DeSantis   December 3, 2008 at 2:03pm
Sure. Aerobic base can definitely be improved in college and beyond. Look at marathon runners- many of them peak in their mid 30s. Obviously a marathon is a very aerobic competition and we have nothing comparable to that amount of aerobic load in swimming.

Also, don't limit yourself to thinking that the only good aerobic training is pool training. I suspect that Moses was doing some types of Aerobic exercise out of the pool. Running, cycling, and rowing are just a few of the great ways to improve your aerobic base.
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Jackie   December 3, 2008 at 1:58pm
Thanks for answer.
About the aerobic base: Do you think it's too late to try to build the aerobic capacity in College? Because you wrote about Moses, who didn't spend his teenage years maximizing his aerobic fit (according different magazines). I became curios after that article and it would be nice to hear your opinion.

Jackie
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Chris DeSantis   December 3, 2008 at 1:50pm
I hear this question all the time. People wonder whether only older swimmers have the "base" to rest more than they thought they had to and go fast. The preponderance of opinion up to this point is that aerobic base training is very important from the pre-teen to early teenage years.

Again though, the formula is not perfect. It has a lot to do with where your body is developmentally (just look at a classroom of thirteen year olds). I also think that this, like most swimming "truths" lacks empirically validated data. People are very fearful of trying something different because they don't want to harm a swimmers career.
That was probably not that helpful, but here's my concise answer: Swimmers of all levels should be training harding, recovering, and then continuing to train hard. Adaptation should occur so that the swimmers ability is growing.
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Jackie   December 3, 2008 at 1:47pm
In addition, I think that Townsend has surely trained hard for years
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Anonymous Coward   December 3, 2008 at 1:46pm
Do you think that a young age group swimmer could have done the same thing than Townsend? Do you think that it would be smart? Personally I think that Townsend's model works for adult swimmers, who have a solid aerobic base...
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Jon Lau   December 3, 2008 at 1:45pm
awesome blog
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Chris DeSantis   December 3, 2008 at 1:28pm
I forget. It was also in kilograms so I don't want to say something wrong. I think it talked about him starting low and working his way up to 100 kg? It wasn't clear whether it was a max or for repitions. Keep in mind this was probably in 1998-99 so its tough for me to remember.
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Jackie   December 3, 2008 at 1:26pm
how much can hackie bench? :=)
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Mrs. Coach   December 3, 2008 at 10:29am
Great ideas, Chris. I think the really unfortunate application of this "role modeling" thing is when you get parents of age-groupers dragging their kids from one team to another, in search of what they consider the "magic formula" and they demand that their child be trained exactly the way that Olympic Hopeful Johnny or Jill is being trained. It takes great coaching to see each athlete as an individual, but it takes great parenting to do the same with one's children!
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John-Brian Hansbury   December 3, 2008 at 10:20am
well put.
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Jason Marsteller   December 3, 2008 at 10:18am
Brilliant blog!
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