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Are All the Records in Play? (Men's Edition)

December 9, 2008

If there's one thing the college invite season made me think of, its the particular vulnerability of NCAA records this year. Like it or not the suits we've been arguing ad nauseam about have contributed to a dramatic rise in record breaking swims. Over the course of two blogs I'm going to give my best guesses as to which NCAA records will be broken this year. For each event, I'll be assigning a number from one to five. A one on this scales means I think that its likely more than one swimmer will break the existing record and five means only if Michael Phelps is granted mysterious NCAA eligibility. Without further ado, here is the Men's edition:

50 Freestyle: Four Stars. On the one hand, Caesar Cielo has set the bar pretty high here. On the other hand, I'm not totally counting out Nathan Adrian (18.91 mid-season) or Matt Targett (Dropping 19s from the get-go). The top returner in this event, Alex Righi, is going to have some serious competition. Still, all of these guys would have to drop close to a second from their existing lifetime bests to beat Cielo's record.

100 Freestyle: Three stars. See above although in my opinion Adrian and Righi are better 100 swimmers than 50 guys.

200 Freestyle: Two stars. With David Walters already cracking open the American record at the Texas invite, I see no reason to believe Simon Burnett's NCAA record will withstand the year. Don't doubt Ricky Berens, Jonas Persson or Jean Basson.

500 Free: Three Stars. I predict this will have a high correlation with the 200 freestyle. Basson's long course pedigree indicate he is capable of record breaking swims but he seemed to have slightly "missed" his taper at NCAAs last year. Probably too soon for youngsters like Jackson Wilcox and Bobby Bollier.

1650: Two stars. I know no one was close to Chris Thompson's venerable 14:26 record, but I just can't see it hanging on another year. Pick your favorite distance swimmer here.

100 Backstroke: Four Stars. Any NCAA record held by Ryan Lochte might just be safe this time around.

200 Backstroke. Five Stars. Ditto.

100 Breaststroke: 3 Stars. I forgot to tell you that 3 stars means I have no idea. Too many question marks here. Is Scott Spann healthy? Is John Criste better than he's shown in SCY? How do you pronounce Damir Dugonjic?

200 Breaststroke: 3 Stars. If Scott Spann is healthy I'm upgrading this a star.

100 Butterfly: 2 Stars. This is a more risky pick. No one has cracked 45 yet this season and they'll need to do so in order to break this one. Are you sure we can't get Michael Cavic another year of eligibility?

200 Butterfly: 1 star. It took what seemed like forever for Gil Stovall to erase Melvin Stewart from the record books. Now I think we could see a whole heat of 1:41s.

200 IM: 5 stars. Another Lochte record.

400 IM: 4 Stars. Slightly less impossible than the 200 IM if only because Lochte didn't quite take this event as low as it could go.

All Relays: One star. I think its a no-brainer here.

Tomorrow, the women's edition. What do you guys think?

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#98	Chris DeSantis March 27, 2009 at 12:15pm Hey James, Who was right about the medley relays? Love, Chris reply
#97	Chris DeSantis February 19, 2009 at 11:56am James Carey, Do you want to temper your remarks now that Auburn has two 18. 50 freestylers, a 19.4 and a 19.6, and thats just in prelims of SECs? reply
#96	Chris DeSantis December 23, 2008 at 7:16am Yep definitely faster than he's shown in college meets thus far. reply
#95	Peter_Galick December 22, 2008 at 11:14pm Russell showed some serious speed going 46.5 at the new england senior circuit...that Cal medley just got more dangerous reply
#94	Chris DeSantis December 17, 2008 at 4:30pm Oh I tried to mention them both but maybe i messed up. They have two great breaststrokers. reply
#93	Anonymous Coward December 17, 2008 at 2:44pm ... when I say "both relays", I'm referring to the medleys. reply
#92	Breaststrokers... December 17, 2008 at 2:44pm Everyone keeps mentioning Criste as Stanford's breaststroker. Am I the only one that remembers that they still have Paul Kornfeld, reigning NCAA champ in both breaststroke? He never swims fast until Pac-10's and NCAA's. Stanford has both relays locked up if Dunford can finish off a 100 freestyle. reply
#91	Peter_Galick December 16, 2008 at 1:27pm As far as who swims where on Auburn's relay I think its going to come down to how much faster will Targett be than the alternate? If Targett is significantly faster than Louw in the 50, he will be anchoring, otherwise he will be swimming fly with Louw anchoring. Team standings is one of those things that you can analyze, re-analyze, argue ten different positions and still end up being wrong in the end. Swimmers have a tendency of pulling incredible best times out of their butts come championship season. That being said here is my top 3: 1. Texas...after relatively disappointing last year I think this is the year Texas gets back on top 2. Stanford...One of the most consistent teams when it comes to top 5 finishes, they'll get pretty close to Texas 3. Florida...This is kind of my upset pick, I just have this feeling that their incredible depth at mid-d and distance freestyle combined with studs such as Burckle and Ally will vault them over Auburn, Cal, and Zona reply
#90	Chris DeSantis December 14, 2008 at 7:36pm Andkjaer dropped a 23.2 in the 50 fly at European SCM champs. There's a good chance he would swim fly on that relay, but Louw is in that equation as well. reply
#89	Anonymous Coward December 12, 2008 at 6:58pm No way auburn is 4th in the 400 free relay reply
#88	But December 12, 2008 at 3:17pm Tennessee has the fastest time this year, and that may be their best relay. Just realized that Greenshields didnt swim at the Texas invite, and Zona will be higher in a few relays than I realized. I always count them and Cal out, but they show well at NCAAs. I agree with placing UVA and probably Florida in the mix now that I think about it. reply
#87	Accfan December 12, 2008 at 3:10pm I think you have to put UVA in the 800free relay mix..i dont see tenn in that reply
#86	Oh, And December 12, 2008 at 3:07pm my final team standing predictions: Texas Stanford Zona Cal Tenn Auburn Michigan Florida Georgia Virginia reply
#85	Tough Spot December 12, 2008 at 3:04pm Even if they have a 38.? back half, Auburn will be in a tough spot if behind after Bk/Br legs. Anyone who has swum in a DI 200yard relay at NCAAs knows how hard it is to dive into a giant wake. My predictions, full of bias and bullsh!t: 200free: Aub, Tex, Stan, Zona, Cal, Tenn 200med: Stan, Cal, Tex, Aub,Tenn, Zona 400free: Tex, Cal, Zona, Aub, Stan, Tenn 400med: Cal, Stan, Tex, Aub, Zona 800free: Tex, Zona, Tenn, Mich, Stan Looks like I dont pick any underdogs. I just don't see Tennessee holding up to the competition at NCAAs and I can't find any other non-traditional powerhouses to put in the top of any relays. Help me out here reply
#84	Russell... December 12, 2008 at 2:36pm ...swims with a lot of power(not great stroke technique), especially underwater, and tapers like nobody's business. He will be okay come March, but will he be on the relay instead of Barnea? Rumor has it the spot is Russel's to lose, but Guy put down a 54 this last summer with some pretty smokin get-out speed for a little guy. And both Godsoe and Russell went 55.1at OTs. Backstroke especially is hard to compare LCM to SCY. They are basically different strokes, not just different courses. reply
#83	Chris DeSantis December 12, 2008 at 1:44pm As I said, I think Auburn is hoping that Andkjaer can give them around 20.0 so that they can throw Targett on the end. Russell was great last year but struggled over the summer. I am trying not to reveal my bias here- we swam in high school together and I want him to succeed more than most. reply
#82	Peter_Galick December 12, 2008 at 1:41pm I would have to throw Adrian's name into the mix of possible 19 fly. If Russell comes around with that 21 speed I see Cal owning this relay simply because Dugonjic's split will be so much faster than every other breaststrokers and backstroke was the only lacking (if you have the nerve to call anyone of Russell"s caliber lacking) leg on their Medley so far. Also I believe Andkejaer was the Fly leg on Auburn's Medley record before they beat it last year so he has to be considered. reply
#81	Chris DeSantis December 12, 2008 at 12:46pm Yeah lets talk about flyers. Here is my list of flyers that can be 19 with occasional subjective/objective reasoning. Targett (read below) I actually see their backstroke coming around and Andkjaer gives them the possibility of putting Targett on free if Louw isn't up to the task. Breaststroke remains a question mark here but lets check back after SECs- they have a habit for pulling some breaststrokers out of nowhere. Staab- 19. last year. Berens has an outside shot with his 20.4 so far this year. Last year he was 20.8 and didn't get used a whole lot on this relay. reply
#80	Flyers? December 12, 2008 at 12:30pm anyone else see Target went 20.0 with a slow takeoff at Nationals. auburn needs a front half to be competitive though reply
#79	Chris DeSantis December 12, 2008 at 12:06pm Yeah I thought about Malul and then put in the comment about teams in the hunt. reply
#78	Durham December 12, 2008 at 11:41am I think Malul at Georgia Tech has also outsplit 23.55 already. (though his medley relay won't be in the hunt overall) reply
#77	Chris DeSantis December 12, 2008 at 10:24am Very true. The only question marks for those relays are whether Criste can find some 23 mid type speed for Stanford and whether Russell can get that 21. speed he had late last year. reply
#76	Pac-10 December 12, 2008 at 10:18am Stanford and Cal will have ridiculous medley relays: Stanford-Godsoe, Criste, Staab, Dunford Cal-Russell/Barnea,Dugonjic,Adrian/Moore/transfer,Adrian/Moore Stanford has the fastest Backstroker and Butterflier in the country. Cal has the fastest Breastroker and Freestyler in the country. The other legs aren't shabby either. reply
#75	Chris DeSantis December 12, 2008 at 10:05am Btw for the record, here is a list of backstrokers that I see being able to beat 21.69 at the end of the season: Hill Taylor Eugene Godsoe David Russell RIcky Henahan At least. As for being able to beat 23.55, I think that among teams that have a shot at this record Barry Murphy (23.54 already), Scott Spann, John Criste (still working off that post Olympics funk and hopefully getting more speed as he works in college) and most definitely my man Damir Dugonjic whom I think has potential for the fastest 50 br split in history. reply
#74	Meant... December 11, 2008 at 11:26pm "very sweet" reply
#73	Forgetting December 11, 2008 at 11:24pm Someone down the thread said a 2:50 400 free relay from Texas at their invite was "sick". You are forgetting Cal's 400 free relay beat them, going 250.1 at the Husky Invite, with guys floating finishes because there was no competition. reply
#72	Wow December 11, 2008 at 9:39pm i was just thinking about how SICK kyle whitaker is going to be in college. He went a 1:46.75 in the 200 im, a 48 low in the 100 fly, and a 45.03 in the 100 free. as a sophmore. godly. i hope he swims somewhere like auburn texas or arizona. I can garuntee one of these records will belong to him some day. reply
#71	Chris- December 11, 2008 at 9:29pm your doing a great job helping the sport of swimmng thrive. Also, I think you handle what people call "haters" better than most. I think you realize that it is all constructive and that everyone loves this sport and is not hating it at all, no matter what it seems like. keep up the good work! reply
#70	Anonomous Hero December 11, 2008 at 9:19pm I can almost guarantee that Matt Targett will break the 100 free record this year. He was 42.00 on a relay in a speedo and 41.8 without any rest last weekend. reply
#69	Chris DeSantis December 11, 2008 at 8:41pm Oh James, its totally about the suits. What you really should be asking yourself is do you think any of these relays could have been 1:16.0 before the year started..because then I think they can beat the record in the suits. I'm glad you didn't take my taunts personally just trying to keep things going. reply
#68	James Carey December 11, 2008 at 8:38pm Chris, Watch and learn? I'm very aware of how many records have gone down in the past years. Does 19. = 19.00 or just 19? Because if it means anything 19 then 1:14.71 shouldn't be assumed because once again that means 18.67 for four guys. Let's give Persson a .47 time drop at the end of the year from UT invite and he leads off in 18.80. That means that the other 3 guys go 18.63. As their times stand now and I give the 3 other guys a full second time drop, they still fall short. They went 1:14.71 last year in prelims of NC's. Those are big big time drops. I just don't think all should have been given ones. 21.69 and 23.55 might be more common than they once were but are not pedestrian. Only two teams had a faster front half than AU last year (Zona & Cal). So let's not get carried away. And even if 21.69 and 23.55 are common, they definitely aren't common on the same team. Your blogs are great and keep up the good stuff!! P.S. If you end up being right about any of this......I'll just blame it on the suits!!! HaHa. reply
#67	Chris DeSantis December 11, 2008 at 1:57pm James, at NCAA's this year watch and learn. it never looks as if the times are possible (I certainly didn't see 1:14.71) coming. Many of the top teams have a ton of 19. flat start guys. Tennessee has more than four, Stanford has more than four. Stanford should be there in the 400 Medley with either Paul Kornfeld or John Criste. Would you believe that a Texas relay of Hill Taylor, Scott Spann, Berens and Walters could take a crack at this? I do. 200 Medley: 21.69 and 23.55 are becoming much more pedestrian front half splits for many teams. Austin Staab of Stanford also has split 19 for fly on a relay before. They might not quite get the 18.19 for the last split but it will be closer than you think. 800 Free: Never said it had to be broken at NCAAs. So we agree. 400 Free Relay: Texas was 2:54 at the Texas Invite last year and improved to 2:51 for NCAAs. I'd say they have a fighting chance to average 41.64 considering they have a guy who has already been 42.13, a freshmen who was 43 in high school last year, and Ricky Berens a 48. long course guy. The wild card for every relay (excepting the 800 free) is Auburn. Seriously, you never see them coming and then all of a sudden they are there at the end of the year. If you don't think a 400 free relay of Targett, Andkjaer, Louw and someone else they pull out of their butts could give it a run, well then I don't know what to say. Thanks for coming. reply
#66	James Carey December 11, 2008 at 1:39pm You should have been a little more specific with your relay predictions. I'm sorry but nobody is going 1:14.71 this year. In case we are all forgetting, but that averages to 18.67. What team can average that? 200 Free = 4 400 Medley = Stanford is always in the mix for this relay and I think they are the favorite to break the record this year, Every split at A&M meet was faster than NCAA's last year except BR (which was substantially slower +1 sec) So this relay gets a 3 because of the BR split. 200 Medley = Even though this record shouldn't count (Puninski was way further than 15 m on first lap) it does and it's not even going to be approached. Who comes close to 21.69, 23.55, 19.81, 18.19? And there isn't a Subirats on anyone's team that can split a 20.73 so this definitely gets a five. NO relay has 38.00 back half speed!!! Good teams have sub 40 back half splits. This = 5 800 Free = Nobody breaks it at NCAA's, Way too hard of an event to swim fast on the second day at NCAA's. If Texas has the same season plan as last year then they break it at Big 12's and don't break it at NCAA's This is a 3 because it depends on Verlatti. OK the last relay is the 400 Free. Texas just went 2:50. Very sweet relay especially in December. And Feigen seems to be getting better as the weeks go by so I think it's extremely realistic that he'll split 41 at the end of the year. That's gotta be a first time for the freshman!! But.....oh yeah the record is 2:46.56!!! Who is averaging 41.64's this year??? That's a 41.64 average not the anchor split. 400 Free = 5 Chris. Hopefully you were just rushing through or mixed up your scale because none of these relays is a 1. reply
#65	Psh...haters. December 11, 2008 at 10:58am why would you come on a swimming website to talk trash on swimming? haha this article isn't about michael phelps, its not about his records, its about the staying power of the current ncaa d1 records. Don't come on a swimming website just to start a fight. the fact is swimming (as a sport, not recreation) is one of the most popular on earth and to be the most dominant athlete ever in that sport is very impressive, and it doesnt really matter that maybe 60% of potentially talented swimmers in america never join a team, because 100% of great football players in the world outside of america never join a team. But i'm not gonna go on espn.com on an article about who we think will win the superbowl this year and start talking about how it doesn't matter because if everyone in the world played football then the nfl would be different, because it DOESNT MATTER. reply
#64	Chris DeSantis December 11, 2008 at 8:52am No, I see your point but you don't take into consideration the rest of the world that Michael has to race. How popular is baseball or American football in comparison to swimming in Europe? Having grown up straddling two cultures I can tell you that in Western Europe in particular swimming is HUGE. How do you think little tiny countries like the Netherlands produce so many high quality swimmers? Or take a country like my own second home Denmark: they aren't playing basketball for the NBA, but they have produced a handful of world class swimmers over the years. reply
#63	Durham December 11, 2008 at 8:32am didn't Chad Johnson already claim he could beat Phelps, and that there were guys at his community pool who were faster than Michael as well? ;-) reply
#62	No. December 10, 2008 at 10:11pm ok, so your not understanind what i was saying. swimming is the most participated sport in the world in the sense that everyone swims in a lake when they're growing up and goes to occasional pool parties but a very small amount are on swimming TEAMS the way they are on other sports teams. When kids are splashing around in a pool no college swimming recruits are prowling the pool deck looking for talent. Upper level swimmers are scouted when they are on teams. Lets take a look at the United States. When kids are in grade school and they are choosing what sports to practice for the next couple years, swimming is definately less popular than football, baseball, basketball, track etc. So, as a result, many potentially amazing swimmers become involved with other sports, never to fulfill their aqueous potential. reply
#61	Ummm December 10, 2008 at 10:00pm The numbers say that swimming is the most participated in sport in the world. Not most watched or most popular, but more people swim than do any other sport. This debate has been had on timedfinals/swimnetwork and collegeswimming and stats and sources were given. So Michael Phelps is the best athlete in the most populated sport. Hardly anyone on a global scale plays football. If they did, perhaps our football players would be like our soccer players, middle of the pack in world rankings. So stop talking out of your a$$. reply
#60	Chris DeSantis December 10, 2008 at 8:48pm Actually I'm sure worldwide participation in swimming is much greater than a sport like say, football. So you could make the same argument for Peyton Manning or Adrian Peterson. reply
#59	I Was Thinking.... December 10, 2008 at 8:14pm considering how small a population of people do swimming compared to other sports like baseball, basketball etc, if swimming was the world's most popular sport im sure michael phelps would not be the best swimmer in the world. someone who never did swimming probably would be the best in the world, and all the world records would be MUCH faster. In fact, probably most of the world's best swimmers would be people that are not swimming stars right now. reply
#58	Anonymous Coward December 10, 2008 at 7:34pm cesar cielo and albert subirats were on a completely different level than anyone else. this year is a step down i think. but, any thoughts on how auburn will do this year with its new recruits/matt targett?? reply
#57	Anonymous Coward December 10, 2008 at 4:46pm Troy's middle name IS Hercules.....i would say that in itself would give him a fighting chance reply
#56	Chris DeSantis December 10, 2008 at 4:09pm Ah. Sorry must be getting old. reply
#55	Look Closer December 10, 2008 at 3:38pm there is a period before that 5...meaning 1/2 of a star. reply
#54	Peter_Galick December 10, 2008 at 1:17pm Not to get down on Berens or anything, but I dont see him as he kind of speedster Subirats was in the 100 fly, not yet at least. He could very well win the 100 fly this year, but I don't think he'll get Subirats's record just yet. reply
#53	Chris DeSantis December 10, 2008 at 1:12pm Five means that I only think the record could be broken if Michael Phelps was granted NCAA eligibility. reply
#52	Did Anyone Not See... December 10, 2008 at 1:11pm put up .5 stars for the 200 fly. dylla was 1:41.4 this weekend at the uga invite. reply
#51	Blah Blah December 10, 2008 at 1:00pm chad is taking down the mile and thats it... reply
#50	It's The Suits December 10, 2008 at 12:56pm If the performance bodysuits are allowed, every record will be crushed and not by a bit. 18.9's by Grevers and Adrian, early season, after the Olympics?! That's nuts! reply
#49	Chris DeSantis December 10, 2008 at 12:55pm Berens was 45.5 at the Texas Invite. reply
#48	Anonymous Coward December 10, 2008 at 12:21pm berens went a 45.0 at the ut invite, so i think that he can take down the 100 fly record reply
#47	Adam Depmore December 10, 2008 at 12:09pm Jimmy, I couldn't agree with you more. Auburn's sprint program is frigthening and UT is just so balanced. Chris good blog. The one I'll agrue against is the 100/200 fly. Ricky B??? reply
#46	Jimmy Morris December 10, 2008 at 11:55am Also, wanted to through Dave Walters and Jimmy Feigen from Texas reply
#45	Jimmy Morris December 10, 2008 at 11:54am I'm going to raise both of my hands for caring about the 1650. Who can't appreciate someone swimming that hard for that long, or see people battle for 15 minutes back and forth, back and forth. That's exciting. It's not all about glamor 'Anonymous Coward'. Also, don't doubt Righi he was the surprise swimmer of NCAAs last year. reply
#44	Anonymous Coward December 10, 2008 at 11:46am Sebastien didnt get there MichiganFan, but you think he wouldnt have without a new blueseventy or lzr on? Troy was damn close without the new suits as well, and with the massive time people have been dropping i would say dropping 1.2 seconds by throwing on a blueseventy seems pretty feasible to me. reply
#43	Anonymous Coward December 10, 2008 at 11:43am Doo goohn yick reply
#42	Anonymous Coward December 10, 2008 at 11:16am No barriers should be put down, they can all go reply
#41	Chris DeSantis December 10, 2008 at 10:59am Sorry to burst your bubble but I do give a crap about the 1650. If you love swimming it can be an awesome spectator race. reply
#40	Anonymous Coward December 10, 2008 at 10:58am "class...raise your hand if you give a about the 1650" *no hands raised "okay...thank you" reply
#39	Haha December 10, 2008 at 10:54am that would be pretty funny if aTm set the bulkhead so the pool was like 20 yards and all the records dropped by like a second reply
#38	MichiganFan December 10, 2008 at 10:42am Concerning the 1650 Record. Everyone has been saying the Birdman's record is going down, year after year. Yet it has stood the test of time. I don't see it going down anytime soon. Vendt couldnt get there, Larsen couldn't get there, Frenchie couldn't get there, all of whom have better credentials than the guy currently at UGA. Remember BIRDMAN FLYS IN ANY WEATHER reply
#37	Durham December 10, 2008 at 9:26am every single record will get broken, because aTm will set the bulkhead two yards too close. reply
#36	100 Free December 10, 2008 at 8:02am Out of Righi, Adrian and Targett, which one swam in the final of the 100 free at the Olympics. You may want to re-think that 100 free prediction. reply
#35	Chris DeSantis December 10, 2008 at 7:09am Two things: I agree now knowing that the 49 second 100 was in SCM its pretty impressive. I just think the relays are ripe. Look at how far the WR relays decreased at the Olympics this summer. The 400 free relay went down about 4 seconds. reply
#34	Umm December 10, 2008 at 1:29am hmm, how can you say 4:08.60 is imposible when a guy who is still eligible went 4:10.00 last year without the blueseventy? Kleuh is an animal and will get his taper right this year. Furthermore, he's a senior which we all know can bring out the best in anyone. Don't let that 4:15 over the weekend fool you. Last year Klueh had some amazing pre-taper meets only to have a "let down" at nationals. This year I would expect the oppisite. reply
#33	I Was Thinking... December 9, 2008 at 11:33pm it would be interesting to add all the first place finish times for the last like 10 ncaa championships and see which year had the lowest overall time. Any thoughts on which year would win? reply
#32	Hmm December 9, 2008 at 11:31pm what makes everyone so sure about the relays being broken? when auburn set the 200 free relay in 07, they had goorich, cielo, target, and lundquist, and there is nobody close to having that kind of speed on one team this year. also, when auburn set the 200 medley, they had cielo and puninski who went like a NINETEEN in the fly leg because he went underwater for about 24.9 yards. those two relays are pretty much unbreakable right now i think. the only ones i think will get broken are the 4x200 (texas...duh) and possibly the 4x100's but even those are up in the air. as mentioned auburn lost most of its true speed and with the loss of subirats and townsend arizona will not be as fast. with those two teams damaged that much, even the 4x100s would be hard to break. as far as the 50, 100, and 200, and 500 free records are concerned. 18.47??? 40.92???? 1:31.20??? 4:08???? Forget it. those records are insane and will take more than a while to break. i agree with the statements about lochte's times though. One more thing, any predictions on times for feigen/madwed? reply
#31	Mike Clayton December 9, 2008 at 11:16pm I'd like to point out that it is actually short course meters, so I'd say 49+ is pretty fast for a 13 year old. reply
#30	Lazy Login'er December 9, 2008 at 11:05pm I love how in the merman movie the college 'scout' is in the stands with binoculars. Hilarious. reply
#29	Limey December 9, 2008 at 11:00pm I think the 1650 could go. There is a guy starting at USC who just went 14.56 SCM for 1500m reply
#28	Anonymous Coward December 9, 2008 at 10:27pm We'll see the D1 100br record go down, but it'll happen at the D2 meet reply
#27	William Broch December 9, 2008 at 10:12pm Sorry to burst the bubble... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZHnomLtBa0 at around 5:00 in the race begins!! If this is the movie your referring to, he uses his merman powers to blow it up, not his time. Although I think it is feasable that the timing system self destructs when Adrian goes a 39 haha. reply
#26	Haha... December 9, 2008 at 9:42pm I thought I was the only one who saw that stupid Disney movie...lol reply
#25	Jeff December 9, 2008 at 9:26pm I agree about the 200 bk...with clary and godsoe already been 1:40 and tapp and o'connor at 1:41 it's going to be a sick final at NC's. Its probably going to take a 1:42. high or better to make it to the meet this year reply
#24	swoo47 December 9, 2008 at 9:20pm haha no you are correct. that part always got me... reply
#23	William Broch December 9, 2008 at 9:16pm I'd put zero stars on the 200fly after everyone seeing Phelps go 1:52 long course and be disappointed haha. If Stanford doesn't disappoint at NCAAs I'd look for Bollier pwn the 200fly. I call 200 backstroke to have multiple sub 1:40 swims but no contest to Lochte's record. I'm ready for the 39.99 100yd freestyle or relay split hahaha. reply
#22	Chris DeSantis December 9, 2008 at 8:15pm Correct me if I'm wrong but I feel like that merman kid was only dropping like 48s in high school meets. If 48 second 100 freestyle blow up timing systems I think Adrian might cause some nuclear fallout. reply
#21	swoo47 December 9, 2008 at 8:12pm I predict adrain going so fast at ncaas he blows up the timing system. Just like in that disney merman movie. reply
#20	Anonymous Coward December 9, 2008 at 8:00pm Tyler clary went a 3.40 in the 4IM mid season thats only 2 secondsoff lochte's record and clary has 2 more years. 4 IM is more like a 2 star. reply
#19	Oldcat December 9, 2008 at 7:14pm I dont think you need to be looking at freshman down the road to touch the 500. I think think depending on how Kleuh and Basson handle their taper they have a shot and their might be a couple wildcards in the mix too .Freshman have a shot making finals though, I think a couple did last year . I gotta believe LaTourette has a shot at the mile reply
#18	Peter_Galick December 9, 2008 at 7:02pm With the exception of the 50fr, 100fr, 200fr, and all relays I honestly don't see that many records getting touched. I am 100% with you on the Lochte records so there is 4 of 13 individual events. It took four years for someone to break Ian Crocker's record and I don't see any 100 flyers anywhere near the caliber Albert Subirats was...yet, however the 200 fly will go down, bottom line. Jeremy Lynne's record took over 15 years to break so I think its safe to say that Mike Alexandrov's record is safe. Alexandrov would have beaten Hansens 200 record but he got Dqedin prelims, so I think I have to agree with your two star rating if Spann is healthy. I don't see the 500 going simply because PVK lowered an already insane record. And after withstanding PVK, Larsen Jensen, and Sebastien Roualt I am totally convinced the mile record will never go. reply
#17	Chris DeSantis December 9, 2008 at 6:26pm I might know a guy who is interested. reply
#16	Agreed With Sumguy December 9, 2008 at 6:26pm i agree with sum guy. jeff raymond is doing crazy well. last year at states he went 427 i believe. and last weekend he was down to 418 which is a pretty significant drop reply
#15	Sum Guy December 9, 2008 at 6:09pm someone should do a blog on the top freshmen like feigen, bollier, wilcox and raymond reply
#14	Chris DeSantis December 9, 2008 at 5:41pm Thats why I gave it two stars. reply
#13	Kevin Frankenfeld December 9, 2008 at 5:32pm hey i just thought id comment that last year at NCs Sebastien went 14:26.86, only missing that mile record by about 2 tenths, and Troy was only about a second behind him with a 14:28.0. I'd say thats pretty close to Thompson's record and I would put even money on Troy taking that down this year reply
#12	Darren Grose December 9, 2008 at 5:26pm Can't argue with you on either of those ones. reply
#11	Hells Yea December 9, 2008 at 5:09pm alright well i happen to love 'merica, and i consider short course 'merican records to be the world record in scy, just like i consider the Superbowl champion to be the greatest football team in the world reply
#10	Anonymous Coward December 9, 2008 at 4:49pm They are fixing the bulkhead by replacing all of the interior brackets that keep breaking. It will be ready far before NCAAs. reply
#9	Chris DeSantis December 9, 2008 at 4:11pm Yeah thats a little bit of a concern too. Forgot to factor that in. reply
#8	And... December 9, 2008 at 4:05pm ...will the bulkhead be legal? reply
#7	Balance December 9, 2008 at 3:56pm Good stuff. reply
#6	Listeneing December 9, 2008 at 3:43pm Learning to take what you say under thoughtful consideration.....hmmm reply
#5	Darren Grose December 9, 2008 at 3:31pm Chris, I'm glad you addressed this. I was wondering the same thing myself. Watch out for Targett in the hundo, he was popping 47 lows on the relays in Beijing. reply
#4	Chris DeSantis December 9, 2008 at 2:11pm Possibly. And I agree with you. reply
#3	Kevin December 9, 2008 at 1:59pm Are you planning on doing Div 3? I think we might see more go down that in D1 reply
#2	Anonymous Coward December 9, 2008 at 1:57pm No we will not. NCAAs are scy. There are no scy world records since scy is only swam in America. reply
#1	Hells Yea December 9, 2008 at 1:48pm will we see a world record at NCAAs reply