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Steen Selection

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March 9, 2009

Last week, multiple people came to me with a New York Times article on Jim Steen. Its not often that college swimming, in this case Division 3, makes it into the country's biggest newspaper. As the article's title implies, it is mostly about the "simple truths" that have meant sustained success for Kenyon Swimming.

One of the anecdotes in the article concerned the team's most recent league championship. Steen sat down the swimmers who already had "A" cuts and told them that their primary objective was to get at least enough men and women qualified that weekend that Kenyon's roster would be at the maximum 18. Kenyon consistently has more people qualified for their NCAA championships than they can bring. I can remember when I was a swimmer in college wondering what motivated those few extra swimmers who were left off the NCAA roster. Didn't they want a shot at individual glory?

The article reminded me of that feeling. Another, entirely unrelated conversation with Garrett brought me to the subject again. Garrett in his travels had talked with an NCAA coach who was upset at losing a recruit. The recruit had supposedly told the coach that he felt he had a better chance for "individual success" at the other school.

What's really at work here is a set of competing ideals about what "success" really is and the best way to achieve it. The last piece of the puzzle for me was an article by David Sloan Wilson and Edward Wilson on the theory of group selection. Typically, when we think of "evolution" we think of Charles Darwin and the "survival of the fittest". That is, individuals that succeed will naturally predominate and have children, and both among species and within them those with "weaker" traits will die off.

Group selection operates on a different premise. Human beings are social creatures- we communicate and cooperate. Within any group, a selfish action will benefit you directly at the expense of others. This makes selfishness extremely appealing, particularly if everyone else is also selfish. Being unselfish works just the opposite- you sacrifice a little from yourself but helps everyone else indirectly. Group selection is based on the idea that certain social groups, not individuals, cooperated and behaved unselfishly to ensure the survival of the group.

How does this work in swimming? Well, another story from the Steen article discusses a senior who the previous year reached his goal of qualifying for NCAAs but did not make Kenyon's squad. The senior nevertheless returned for his senior year and made the NCAA squad. Coach Steen, as many other successful coaches have, has very clearly gotten his swimmers to believe in group selection. I believe the results are quantifiable. When you have a group of swimmers that buy into the fact that they need to make all of their teammates better, the improvement curve for everyone rises dramatically. However, there is also little room for the selfish athlete who guns for himself at the expense of his teammates.

I think that Steen's wisdom serves coaches and athletes alike. When you coach a team that can't even get one person to NCAAs, it can be tempting to coddle your best swimmer. After all, that trip to the meet means recognition for you as a coach. Truth be told, I think that it would be much better to convince your best swimmer to buy into making everyone around him/her better, and someday bring a whole team to the meet. As for the athlete who chose one school because he believed it would help him "individually", I think he may find that he would have been better off in a program that put team first.



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#35
Ivy Coach   March 12, 2009 at 6:43pm
Swimming is a quantifiable sport, it cannot be judged simply by wins and losses. It wouldn't make sense to have a championship tournament that is based on which team won a League/Conference title. There are so many teams that it would be physically impossible to have a March Madness type of tournament. One meet is extremely draining on the athletes; it would be impossible for them to compete for six or eight meets with nearly no rest, which is the only time feasible way for it to happen. Not to mention that these swimmers are STUDENT-athletes and they need to be in school.

As for the building a team atmosphere... part of the excitement of collegiate swimming is contributing to the team. I can speak to this having seen it two weeks ago at champs; when a team comes together and supports each other, the success is far sweeter than it would be for the individual who became the coach's pet. The athlete who chooses a college because they want to be a star will probably never live up to the potential that they could have if they joined a team to help bring that team to the next level. If you think that collegiate swimming is an individual sport, you haven't had the privilege to be on the pool deck with a real college team. The men and women I work with are a family, they work together to make each other stronger, and when it all works, it's seems like magic, but it's not, it's a TEAM.
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#34
Anonymous Coward   March 11, 2009 at 7:30pm
I remember collegeswimming.com proposing a dual meet championship season, swum in tournament format, so that a 1 seed would start by competing with an 8 seed (12, 16 ?), and the dual meets would continue until a final four, and championship meet. Could be exciting if underdogs rested and shaved while the top dogs tried to train through early meets. Sure would make for exciting dual meets at the end!
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#33
EGbonnie   March 11, 2009 at 7:43am
Here is the real question. How can we make college swimming a 'team' oriented sport at the national level? This is a great blog and a concept that needs much attention at the NCAA level. Swimming is such an individualized sport but we can change this through conversations like these.

How about the idea of making NCAA's more of a team competition rather than individual selection? Any thoughts?
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#32
Depends   March 11, 2009 at 1:27am
i'd say that depends on what you want from the sport. If you want to get as fast as you possibly can without developing the strong ties of friendship that come with a team environment, then you should go to the team that you feel will help you more as an individual. If you want your swimming career to be more about the team and less about yourself, however, than the team environment is for you. The fact is, however the team environment often leads to people pushing themselves beyond where they would be without it.
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#31
Ind. Success For Ind. Sport   March 11, 2009 at 12:10am
Your last paragraph is exactly the reason foreign swimmers have tough time adapting to this way of thinking.
Truth be told, the guy who chose the "individual" success probably did the right thing, now he can get much more attention and a program that will focus on his needs, rather than being in a place trying to sell him a bunch of clichés to believe in. (as long as the coach in the small team knows his business of course)
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#30
Anonymous Coward   March 10, 2009 at 1:01pm
Has anyone ever asked Steen if they could interview him or his swimmers for this site?
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#29
Andrew Palumbo   March 10, 2009 at 11:00am
love the david sloan wilson shout out. chris you should make the trip up from phili to binghamton and listen to one of his seminars. while you're up here you could stop in sean clark's office and pick his brain about the sport.
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#28
Anonymous Coward   March 10, 2009 at 10:57am
3. and i find the handle "Anonymous Coward" funny and a bit "holier-than-thou"...
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Anonymous Coward   March 10, 2009 at 10:51am
AC - why? said:
why post as AC:
1. because i don't see the need to register here:
a) i get to see all the content you do anyway
b) i am not going to post videos - i am in a major city where swimming content is close to zero and i have a job so i therefore don't have the free time to be running around the countryside to swim meets
c) i am not going to share any info about myself on the web
d) i am not required to, though it might help me avoid the censorship issues
2. and i like to get people worked up, but i mean no harm...
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AC - Why?   March 10, 2009 at 10:49am
why post as AC:
1. because i don't see the need to register here:
a) i get to see all the content you do anyway
b) i am not going to post videos - i am in a major city where swimming content is close to zero and i have a job so i therefore don't have the free time to be running around the countryside to swim meets
c) i am not going to share any info about myself on the web
d) i am not required to, though it might help me avoid the censorship issues
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#25
AC Defense Team   March 10, 2009 at 9:29am
You do realize that there is more than 1 Anonymous Coward right? Don't blame all the AC postings on 1 guy. But will the real AC please stand up? I think the real one is a pretty intelligent guy (yes, he does have a touch of an attitude) and has some good things to say. But it has become really easy to enter your name as Anonymous Coward for everyone. But you have to be able to differentiate who is who and the language they use - and the knowledge they have.
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#24
Neswim   March 10, 2009 at 9:17am
Very thought provoking blog...as swimming fans we are not often priivy to the inner-workings of a team, except as it manifests itself in results. We've all been at meets where you can "feel" the positive or negative energy emanting from a team. Great coaches are in tune with their teams. Its a job that requires both a lot of one-on-one as well as understanding how well things are working "globally."
What I find so compelling about the Kenyon success story is how each year two teams are assembled using a method that while it draws upon the past has been unqiuely different just about every year for the past 30 years! That is one sure way to keep things fresh. I think Steen has this in common with his peers in the other divisions.
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#23
Lowly Senior   March 10, 2009 at 2:05am
Great blog. As a person who once was a lowly senior on a rather dysfunctional team I remember seeking individual success as my only goal. Seeing no chance at individual success going into my senior year, I almost quit. Ironically, the freemen class generated the group mentality that my college career lacked. Through our "group selection" process, I learned to lead, and discovered a better way to succeeded in a largely individual sport. Challenging as it was to shift my mindset, it was well worth the patients. If only I had known my freshman year that I could generate group selection by stepping up to the plate to empower others...
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#22
Anonymous Coward   March 9, 2009 at 11:01pm
Great Site Folks!! Keep up the good work!!
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#21
Swimfan3025   March 9, 2009 at 10:10pm
I'm getting so sick of you anonymous coward. this must be the 5th post I've read of you bashing the creators of this amazing site. quit complaining and give the people who dedicate so much to swimming some slack and long overdue credit
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#20
Chris DeSantis   March 9, 2009 at 9:52pm
Kevin said:
Chris - how do you take a team who doesn't buy into group mentality and turn them into 30-national-title winning programs?
If I knew the definite answer I would be the head coach of a team winning every year wouldn't i?

Here's what I do know: start with yourself. Establish with your athletes that you are putting their interests and performance above yourself. If you are the first one to take the big leap and buy into the group mentality you make it safer for anyone else to follow.
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#19
Kevin   March 9, 2009 at 9:50pm
Chris - how do you take a team who doesn't buy into group mentality and turn them into 30-national-title winning programs?
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#18
Anonymous Coward   March 9, 2009 at 9:22pm
Right... said:
Hmmm, so they own the rights... that's why there's coverage of women's PAC 10s up here, right?
Mono estúpido
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#17
Flofan   March 9, 2009 at 9:08pm
If I wanted to read boring write-ups I would go to another site. I love this site because it gives you something you can't find anywhere else. I for one really appreciate getting to read Chris' blog- this guy works his butt off to bring us stuff like this and he does it just for the love of the sport.
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Jenny Humphrey   March 9, 2009 at 8:59pm
Anonymous Coward said:
you are assuming incorrectly that i was looking for a video, i would think with multiple American/NCAA records the PAC-10's would garner a mention (i.e. write up) on a swimming web site...seems you promoted yourself to 200 level too soon...
Last time I checked this wasn't swimnews.com.
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Anonymous Coward   March 9, 2009 at 8:34pm
Ok, the video of Women's Pac-10s was put up by a fan/user. Im sure if another fan/user had volunteered than Garrett would gladly of put of the video
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Anonymous Coward   March 9, 2009 at 8:25pm
Was it Dave Durden who said that the team is only as good as it's weakest link?
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Anonymous Coward   March 9, 2009 at 7:52pm
journalism 200 said:
AC-- you don't get it. if you want to see a coverage or something on flo... post it yourself. until garrett can magically gain the powers of multiple man from the x-men, this will be a swim site for us and mostly by us. just make sure you have the rights before you post.
you are assuming incorrectly that i was looking for a video, i would think with multiple American/NCAA records the PAC-10's would garner a mention (i.e. write up) on a swimming web site...seems you promoted yourself to 200 level too soon...
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Right...   March 9, 2009 at 7:11pm
Hmmm, so they own the rights... that's why there's coverage of women's PAC 10s up here, right?
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Journalism 200   March 9, 2009 at 6:44pm
AC-- you don't get it. if you want to see a coverage or something on flo... post it yourself. until garrett can magically gain the powers of multiple man from the x-men, this will be a swim site for us and mostly by us. just make sure you have the rights before you post.
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Anonymous Coward   March 9, 2009 at 6:36pm
journalism 101 said:
You didn't find any mention because the rights to PAC 10s, like the rights to BIG 12s, SECs, BIG 10s, and many many other conference meets are all owned by companies that buy the football and basketball rights and acquire non-revenue sports rights too... often doing nothing with those rights. Its not floswimming's fault. As for no Kenyon coverage... has coach Steen ever extended an invite to floswimming coverage? Cause that's how it works
yes, the conferences own the rights to anyone even speaking/writing one word about the results...when you make it out of a 100 level course we can continue the conversation
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Journalism 101   March 9, 2009 at 6:19pm
Anonymous Coward said:
b/c this is first and foremost a site to promote Texas swimming...there was some pretty fast swimming at PAC 10's this week, find any mention here?
You didn't find any mention because the rights to PAC 10s, like the rights to BIG 12s, SECs, BIG 10s, and many many other conference meets are all owned by companies that buy the football and basketball rights and acquire non-revenue sports rights too... often doing nothing with those rights. Its not floswimming's fault. As for no Kenyon coverage... has coach Steen ever extended an invite to floswimming coverage? Cause that's how it works
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Anonymous Coward   March 9, 2009 at 6:00pm
Anonymous Coward said:
Why is there never any coverage of Kenyon on here? I know they are only division 3 but I would love to see interviews or workouts or something.
Well here is some Kenyon coverage. Chris writes about D3 teams and swimmers from time to time give him some credit!
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Anonymous Coward   March 9, 2009 at 5:55pm
Anonymous Coward said:
Why is there never any coverage of Kenyon on here? I know they are only division 3 but I would love to see interviews or workouts or something.
b/c this is first and foremost a site to promote Texas swimming...there was some pretty fast swimming at PAC 10's this week, find any mention here?
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#6
Anonymous Coward   March 9, 2009 at 5:26pm
who cares about kenyon, they're d3 and therefore they are slow
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Anonymous Coward   March 9, 2009 at 5:18pm
Why is there never any coverage of Kenyon on here? I know they are only division 3 but I would love to see interviews or workouts or something.
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Chris DeSantis   March 9, 2009 at 4:14pm
McGee Moody said:
Those that know Coach Steen know that you cannot capture his passion and competitive spirit in an article. He has a drive and work ethic that has no equal. For years, he has taken good athletes and made them great. The same can be said for coaches that have been lucky enough to work with him.
Well said.
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McGee Moody   March 9, 2009 at 4:02pm
Those that know Coach Steen know that you cannot capture his passion and competitive spirit in an article. He has a drive and work ethic that has no equal. For years, he has taken good athletes and made them great. The same can be said for coaches that have been lucky enough to work with him.
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#2
Confused   March 9, 2009 at 3:38pm
meaning what? ac. Is bowman a team guy or is this sarcasm.?...the problem with emails.
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#1
Anonymous Coward   March 9, 2009 at 3:15pm
bob bowman anyone...
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