FINA releases list of approved suits for 2009
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 #148 | Men should be allocwed the same coverage as women. Zippers sould also be allowed. Carolyn Lyman, Masters Swimmer |
#147 | lets calm down said: How do you know Phelps could win a world championship in a brief? We'll never see it because Phelps won't race at worlds in a brief. The reason for this? He (Like everyone else) knows that he needs a good suit to win.“if theres anything we've learned about michael phelps over the years, its that he wins when it counts. it doesnt matter if the person hes racing is faster than him (mike cavic, ian crocker, etc.), and it doesnt matter what suit hes wearing. michael phelps wins. if someone wearing a jaked suit is racing michael in a brief, i dont care what time the other dude goes, if an world championship is on the line, phelps is going to win.” |
#146 | does this count for open water |
#145 | the tyr video was preaty good, def made a good case for the suit companies |
#144 | El Duderino said: if theres anything we've learned about michael phelps over the years, its that he wins when it counts. it doesnt matter if the person hes racing is faster than him (mike cavic, ian crocker, etc.), and it doesnt matter what suit hes wearing. michael phelps wins. if someone wearing a jaked suit is racing michael in a brief, i dont care what time the other dude goes, if an world championship is on the line, phelps is going to win.“A suit will make him 1.1 seconds faster in a 200. Phelps cannot come within 1.1 seconds of his WR wearing just a brief.” |
#143 | Would someone please start a facebook "Lord talks Rubbish" |
 #142 | Matt Zimmer from TYR's reaction to the suit decision from FINA |
#141 | I think the Flying Fish is some sort of Japanese LZR - FS - FSpro hybrid. It has LZR pulse and FS fabric in it. Someone else posted a link to it about 150 comments ago. |
#140 | why are there only 3 tyr suits on the list are they all approved for tyr |
#139 | I thought the same thing. Is the FSII still legal? That was my favorite suit. |
#138 | Anonymous Coward said: I think the mysterious Speedo Flying Fish may be the FS II.“OK, I see the Speedo Fastskin and Fastskin Pro on the list. The Speedo Fastskin II is NOT on the list. Is the Fastskin II the same as the Fastskin?” |
#137 | Kirk Nelson said: From what I've heard any suit not on the approved list or being retested is considered illegal. So, according to the letter of the law as things stand right now, a training suit would not be legal to race in. I doubt officials would DQ someone for racing in a brief, however.“You're wrong. There's nothing in the Dubai Charter suggesting that only tech suits need to be approved. The wording used is "all swimsuits..." You can read the full text here: http://www.fina.org/project/images/help/thedubaicharter.pdf” In other news, it sounds like the LZR may well be out come 2010: http://www.swimnews.com/News/view/6873 |
#136 | OK, I see the Speedo Fastskin and Fastskin Pro on the list. The Speedo Fastskin II is NOT on the list. Is the Fastskin II the same as the Fastskin? |
#135 | I am a few years out of this and haven't seen any of the new suits up close, but have been wandering: How are they going to enforce this? Is it easy to tell the difference between the different models? Are all swimmers going to have to submit their suit after their races for some sort of test? Maybe I am overlooking something, but nobody seems to be talking about the actual enforcement of a system where some suits are ok and some are not ok. Anyone have any thoughts here? |
 #134 | You're wrong. There's nothing in the Dubai Charter suggesting that only tech suits need to be approved. The wording used is "all swimsuits..." You can read the full text here: http://www.fina.org/project/images/help/thedubaicharter.pdf |
#133 | its tech suits, training suits are legal still |
#132 | Yeah, it would certainly help if FINA issued some kind of clarification. It seems like they put this list out there and then went on vacation or something. |
#131 | Anonymous Coward said: Interesting conundrum... The wording in the FINA press release doesn't differentiate between tech and training suits... Maybe it was assumed that this list refered to competitive/racing style suits?“A $PEEDO aquablade?! The only friggin brief on the list?! wtf man, this sucks.” |
#130 | j03 is jaked long distance suit with lycra inserts on shoulders |
#129 | Kirk Nelson said: A $PEEDO aquablade?! The only friggin brief on the list?! wtf man, this sucks.“As long as it's a Speedo Aquablade. I don't see many other briefs on the list. I know this seems silly but at this point the FINA list must be viewed as the definitive list for approved swimsuits.” |
#128 | Anonymous Coward said: As long as it's a Speedo Aquablade. I don't see many other briefs on the list. I know this seems silly but at this point the FINA list must be viewed as the definitive list for approved swimsuits.“just swim in a brief” |
#127 | Oh, snap, the suit notice IS gone! I didn't check that. I wouldn't count on being allowed to wear it though... just swim in a brief, if you've trained well, you'll do fine. |
#126 | Anonymous Coward said: Nope, look at the SoCalSwim website, it says no suits allowed at JEI that are not on the FINA list. This is because someone could set a world or national record there, and they want it to be able to count. Ous, Tae Hwan, Lezak, Adrian, and others will want their times to count if they set some sort of record“so wait can i use B70 for JEI now?” |
#125 | Anonymous Coward said: It looks like you can. The note regarding following the suit approval list is gone from the JEI site. I would be prepared for either.“so wait can i use B70 for JEI now?” |
#124 | so wait can i use B70 for JEI now? |
#123 | usa swimming has said they will not make a ruling on the suits until after the may 29-30 rulles committe meeting, until then you can wear whatever suit you want |
#122 | Where does it say that the B70 is ok for usaswimming |
#121 | yea |
 #120 | Anonymous Coward said: J03 is the suit that jaked had last year...“Fred's record was set in the J01. No one really knows what the J03 is.” |
#119 | Anonymous Coward said: If the B70 is okay for USA Swimming meets then what about the Jaked 01? Neither are on FINA's List. Why would one be prohibited if the other is approved? Will USA Swimming create their own list of approved suits? It appears Japan is on the verge of doing so:http://www.swimmingworldmagazine.com/lane9/news/21195.asp?q=JapaneseSwimmingFederationPlansonRatifyingRyosukeIrieJapaneseRecord,EvenIfNotRatifiedasWorldRecord“FINA has released their list of approved suits for the remainder of the 2009 season: http://www.fina.org/project/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2389&Itemid=9 202 suits have been approved, while 10 were rejected outright. 136 suits will be modified in an attempt to fit the guidelines set out in the Dubai Charter. Manufacturers have until June 18th to resubmit previously non-compliant suits for approval.” |
#118 | Check out US Swimming the B70 is still okay for meets for now |
#117 | I have a question said: Neither the Speedo Endurance suit or your Blue 70 are on that list. Neither may be worn in competition.“Can swimmers wear practice suits (i.e. Speedo Endurance) in meets, or are those illegal for competition. They are not on the list.” |
#116 | caveat emptor |
#115 | Can swimmers wear practice suits (i.e. Speedo Endurance) in meets, or are those illegal for competition. They are not on the list. |
#114 | Fred's record was set in the J01. No one really knows what the J03 is. |
#113 | what is the difference between the jaked suit that was approved and the one that was not? 03 vs 01? which is the one that everyone's been wearing? |
#112 | This may seem like an absurd question, but with all of the shady dealings going on with FINA and Speedo it started getting me thinking. Just how difficult would it be for some people go about creating a new "FINA" or new governing body for swimming. It just seems to me that this whole suit issue has created some deep divides in the swimming world and has and will continue to cause people to lose respect for both FINA and Speedo. I even read that Italy will still allow their athletes to wear Jaked's for their World Champ Trials and that Japan will ratify Irie's swim as a Japanese record despite the issue of the suits legality. That just seems to reinforce the idea that FINA is not trusted or respected by many coaches or swimmers and I feel like it would be difficult to maintain a working relationship between FINA and other federations in the future. Plus, the people who work at FINA practically know nothing of swimming, all they really care about is making money. |
#111 | $PEEDO said: google "lzr racer pro"“The LZR Racer Pro is the LZR Racer. They just stuck the Pro at the end to continue with the FS-Pro theme.” nothing comes up that is actually a suit is the fast skin the same as the fast skin pro? nope. |
#110 | the LZR does have those little holes like right between the crotch and the ass area. maybe other suits should do that. |
#109 | I am not Sure but here is another Pic from Beijing. http://www.exposay.com/celebrity-photos/federica-pellegrini-2008-olympic-games-day-3-swimming-RVvDss.jpg |
#108 | Rafael Teixeira said: It looks like Pellegrini is wearing a training suit under her Jaked in that picture.“And here: Federica Pellegrini 200m World Record Picture http://www.bestswimming.com.br/blog/media/1/20090318-pele2.jpg” |
#107 | And here: Federica Pellegrini 200m World Record Picture http://www.bestswimming.com.br/blog/media/1/20090318-pele2.jpg |
#106 | Congratulations FINA SPEEDO YOUR CHEATER DIANA, Jaked, Blue70 all are going to put their lawyers on you ***. And here I got something VERY interesting http://www.bestswimming.com.br/blog/index.php?itemid=8029#c It´s the letter from professor Jan-Anders Manson, the responsable for the test Everyone Look the Part on Yellow. It says It says the suits MAY CAUSE significant air trapping, it does not say it CAUSES! $PEEDO/FINA... you got youself into an amazing problem. And more. BLUE70 were sure their suits would be aproved because they sent them to test before FINA and ALL passed. The now banned Jaked was the same LEGAL jaked Pellegrini used to get the world record on the 200m freestyle in 2008. And the Italian Federation will ALLOW ANY Suit in their time trials for ROME! |
#105 | now you know |
#104 | did not know that anonymous coward was the default name... |
#103 | Tristan Vowles said: I completely agree.“Well, Thorpe could not have gone 1:44.06 wearing only a brief either. You have to make fair comparisons.” |
#102 | Reponse to El Duderino said: Phelps broke neither the 200 or 400 IM wearing a brief. If I remember correctly, he wore a LZR Jammer for the 400 IM and a LZR Legsuit for the 200 IM. That being said, this has no bearing on when I said Phelps could not come within 1.1 seconds of his 200 free time wearing a brief. Do I think Phelps could come within 1.1 seconds of his 200 free time wearing a LZR Jammer or Legsuit? Sure. An Aquablade Speedo? Hell no.“what about phelp's 200 and 400 IM?? he wasn't wearing a full suit! he wearing pants and briefs for those and still managed to break both world records! it is still possible to break world records without a suit as it has already been proven. a suit couldnt possibly make lower a world 1.1 seconds quicker, its the stuff u do in training, the drive that gets u up every morning at 5am and goin back at 3pm for more training. its almost like ur sayin anyone could put a suit on and break a world record. its all crap” |
#101 | There's more than 1 Anonymous Coward, dude. If you don't put a name in for your comment, it comes up as Anonymous Coward. |
#100 | and why does Anonymous Coward always respond to himself thats lame man |
#99 | wait so now Irie and Bernards dont count anymore? what about felipe silva in the 50 breast? wasnt he wearing an xglide |
#98 | will Irie's record be revoked? |
#97 | LOOK AHEAD!!!!!! said: #4....GREAT IDEA!!!! That means the women will be topless!“Do you all see what is going to happen in three years? All this controversy about the suits will be ironed out this next year. We will be laughing at all this controversy and talking about the great swims in the new and "reduced" suits that will be coming out. NCAA still has to make a decision on whether to allow the suits at all or just for NCAA Nationals...so there could be even more slicing and dicing! HOWEVER, our sport may seem tainted...but lets be proactive and support ALL rulings by FINA. This is why I say this: 1. The WORLD is paying attention to our sport like no other right now. Look at the coverage of Phelps in Charlotte. (ok...that was more about the bong than the suit..but either way..he has redeemed!) 2. Once all the suit controversy is ironed over...London '12 will probably have even more attention drawn to swimming...so everyone can see what the swimmers can do without the buoyancy and a more trimmed down suit that brings the athleticism back into our sport. 3. If NCAA only allows the suits at Nationals...we will see some very intense conference meets like never before...mainly because it will be tough getting to NCAA's if the time standard formula does not change. 4. Im not sure who said it, but our sport really shows that athletes true fitness and why our sport is one of the toughest in the world. Idea: Have ONE of the Grand Prix's swam in briefs only! Now that will show the true athletes! 5. Technology is technology...it will never go away. But we as the athletes can at the very least let Tyr, Speedo, and B70 understand that their product "was" a form of assistance rather than coverage. Agree or disagree with me I could care less....but in three years I really believe our sport will regain its integrity...but only if FINA can regulate a suit that is worth wearing.” Kidding! However...I would love to go back to the old school to see what can be done. |
#96 | The FINA list is the suits that are approved. Is there a simple list of the suits that are not approved? |
 #95 | Anonymous Coward said: I stand corrected. Man that list is confusing.“Ryosuke Irie's Descente suit was not on the FINA approved list http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5hhKwENfdRAc5qPphLSvC3kCLhseA” |
#94 | check out these suits said: the Speedo Pro Hybrid looks like a LZR. Would like to see a full body version. This is way insane!“http://japanswimshop.com/mens-swimsuits this site has all these weird suits, including the flying fish which is like a LZR and FS II hybrid... its pretty sick” |
#93 | Ryosuke Irie's Descente suit was not on the FINA approved list http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5hhKwENfdRAc5qPphLSvC3kCLhseA |
#92 | Anonymous Coward said: And your proof is?“glad to hear that the blue 70 and jaked are banned. bout time. those are the ultimate cheater suits.” |
#91 | Do you all see what is going to happen in three years? All this controversy about the suits will be ironed out this next year. We will be laughing at all this controversy and talking about the great swims in the new and "reduced" suits that will be coming out. NCAA still has to make a decision on whether to allow the suits at all or just for NCAA Nationals...so there could be even more slicing and dicing! HOWEVER, our sport may seem tainted...but lets be proactive and support ALL rulings by FINA. This is why I say this: 1. The WORLD is paying attention to our sport like no other right now. Look at the coverage of Phelps in Charlotte. (ok...that was more about the bong than the suit..but either way..he has redeemed!) 2. Once all the suit controversy is ironed over...London '12 will probably have even more attention drawn to swimming...so everyone can see what the swimmers can do without the buoyancy and a more trimmed down suit that brings the athleticism back into our sport. 3. If NCAA only allows the suits at Nationals...we will see some very intense conference meets like never before...mainly because it will be tough getting to NCAA's if the time standard formula does not change. 4. Im not sure who said it, but our sport really shows that athletes true fitness and why our sport is one of the toughest in the world. Idea: Have ONE of the Grand Prix's swam in briefs only! Now that will show the true athletes! 5. Technology is technology...it will never go away. But we as the athletes can at the very least let Tyr, Speedo, and B70 understand that their product "was" a form of assistance rather than coverage. Agree or disagree with me I could care less....but in three years I really believe our sport will regain its integrity...but only if FINA can regulate a suit that is worth wearing. |
#90 | Canadian eh? said: I don't know about that. The purpose of testing the suits now was to eliminate the fast suits for Rome, and obviously, the fall would be too late.“While I agree there needs to be some regulation of these suits, doing it now in the middle of LC season is in my opinion a mistake. FINA should have introduced the new regulations for next fall.” |
#89 | El Duderino said: Well, Thorpe could not have gone 1:44.06 wearing only a brief either. You have to make fair comparisons.“A suit will make him 1.1 seconds faster in a 200. Phelps cannot come within 1.1 seconds of his WR wearing just a brief.” |
#88 | http://japanswimshop.com/mens-swimsuits this site has all these weird suits, including the flying fish which is like a LZR and FS II hybrid... its pretty sick |
#87 | Irie broke his world record in a descente that was on the approved list. |
#86 | If Irie broke the 200 back World record in a Descente, was it the IIIMar09? |
#85 | The jacked from 2008 is not banned. The new fast one is... |
#84 | jaked is not banned !!!!! |
#83 | I'm pretty sure the air being trapped in the failed suits is between the suit and the body. The Italian Federation certainly seems to think so. As to the "stuff glued to the fabric" those would be the little rubber bumps on the FS2 and if I remember correctly, those had to with optimising flow around the chest area, not anything to do with air entrapment. Those FS2's are still around today, and were extremely popular for years with many records and Olympic medals won with them. If it's now banned, would that mean everyone was unknowingly cheating at the time? Let's face it, every Fastskin suit was a cheater suit over the previous versions. The objective for these suit makers has always been to get the swimmer through the water faster, thereby selling a lot of product since no one wants to be left behind with old technology. Speedo has been doing this for a very long time, and they probably don't like losing out to other manufacturers. No one does. Perhaps the difference this time though, is that other manufacturers have taken the Speedo lead on the non permeable fabrics, and ran with it and improved on the Speedo design. Maybe the new Speedo philosophy is if you can't beat them, eliminate them. While I agree there needs to be some regulation of these suits, doing it now in the middle of LC season is in my opinion a mistake. FINA should have introduced the new regulations for next fall. |
#82 | glad to hear that the blue 70 and jaked are banned. bout time. those are the ultimate cheater suits. |
#81 | what about phelp's 200 and 400 IM?? he wasn't wearing a full suit! he wearing pants and briefs for those and still managed to break both world records! it is still possible to break world records without a suit as it has already been proven. a suit couldnt possibly make lower a world 1.1 seconds quicker, its the stuff u do in training, the drive that gets u up every morning at 5am and goin back at 3pm for more training. its almost like ur sayin anyone could put a suit on and break a world record. its all crap |
#80 | haha...I find it funny: " 60 says" "I think we have a new company in swimming its called $peedo" touche...I think in the combination of responses the market finds you out..the most part of the swimming are not nieve..speedo and fina are locked in together and so are the top coaches who are the loud hailers for the speedo brand. The TYR / Speedo case would never have occured otherwise!! Shubert and Allan Thompson are the worst specially as the Australian head coach who is the one of their main paid ambassordors lands up being on the fina coaches commission in the acual suit approval process...the whole process is a joke...and I agree with the statement below about if all the suits had speedo logos nothing would be banned...i think we all agree that if no suit had come out after the LZR...nothing would have been spoken about or heard about and though the speedo suits still reamain the hard fact is really: more world records have been placed in the LZR suit then any other suit...so how can you not think something is in consistent???? |
#79 | Sweet. Now I get to pay 200 dollars extra for a suit that lasts a tenth as long and is just as effective as the blueseventy if i want to compete. At least the speedo competitors allowed swimmers and universities with lower budgets to compete with the big names, even if times were becoming artificially fast. Now they will just stay artificially fast and yet more swimming programs will be cut because they can't cut 200 bucks per suit come championship season and still compete. It's about the swimmers, guys. Absolutely ridiculous... |
#78 | false- distance still pure said: A suit will make him 1.1 seconds faster in a 200. Phelps cannot come within 1.1 seconds of his WR wearing just a brief.“this is false. phelps has the fastest 200m free time ever by 1.1 seconds. tell me that a suit will make him 1.1 seconds faster in a 200.” |
#77 | Anonymous Coward said: this is false. phelps has the fastest 200m free time ever by 1.1 seconds. tell me that a suit will make him 1.1 seconds faster in a 200. ian thorpe has the fastest 400m free time by 1.8 and he wasnt wearing a new tech suit. grant hackett has the fastest 1500 time by 6 seconds. he swam his best time in 2001.“jack k, this will never happen simply because nobody can win in a speedo anymore. its not possible” |
#76 | Does Irie's WR still stand? |
#75 | From the rough translation about this issue on the Italian Federation website, it would appear that the Jaked, just like the B70, didn't pass the FINA tests because it traps air. The Italians seem to be rather unhappy about the FINA decision. I don't know personally, but my daughter has always said the worst suit for bubbling up and air entrapment was the FS Pro, which is still legal, go figure. Coming second was the B70, and even the LZR does it. She said the Jaked had minimal air trapped, but the best was the good old FS1 in that regard. As someone else pointed out earlier, the FS2 is not on the approved list. What's up with that? The FS1 appears to be there though.... It would be a very good idea for FINA or national governing bodies to very quickly clarify whether the suits NOT on that list are immediately deemed illegal to use at any meet, or could they be used up until the World Championships. Everything so far seems to be just guesswork regarding that. Really poor press release by FINA. There are a lot of swimmers out there about to compete this coming week/weekend that would be seriously affected by not being able to use their previously legal but now "illegal" suits. Who would police this issue at the meets within such a short time frame? Meet managers must be pulling their hair out right about now. |
#74 | Before everyone gets too caught up with bashing Speedo, you should consider that Speedo probably didn't have to pay a dime for this decision: What do you think would happen to swimming's reputation and acceptance if the suit in which 90% of medals at the Olympics were won was deemed to be illegal by FINA? The whole swimming community with FINA at the helm would make complete idiots out of themselves. You couldn't explain to the general public that that was then and this is now, they would just think that every swimmer was cheating at the Olympics. I'm not saying the LZR deserves to be legal, but Speedo had this won when (with FINA's assistance) it was so overrepresented in Beijing. |
#73 | +1 |
#72 | Anonymous Coward said: I didn't know Stu Isaac was posting on this.“the lzr was approved because the process that speedo went through to create it was a very public and hyped one (with the nasa help and all) so there is no doubt at all that lzr's were made with fina over their shoulder every step of the way. thats what people are missing--blueseventy took the technology that speedo only put in specific areas of the suit because of fina regulations, and applied it to the entire suit” "...with fina over their shoulder..."??? - Hilarious. I think you meant "... with the old farts in fina as deep into speedo's pockets as possible..." |
#71 | Anonymous Coward said: If you listen to the video, the B70 passed the buoyancy test.“Fred's record will stand because the jaked was approved by fina at the time of the swim. Alain's will not, as his suit was not approved. The B70 was axed because it is so buoyant - in other words, it cheats more than the LZR. I think they should both be illegal. FS-Pro/Tracer Rise and Light/Whatever Nike comes out with towards the end of this year/ is really where suit technology should stop. Maximize the ability of the athlete, don't enhance it.” |
 #70 | well is there anybody willing to risk a win to give some more integrity to the sport? |
#69 | the lzr was approved because the process that speedo went through to create it was a very public and hyped one (with the nasa help and all) so there is no doubt at all that lzr's were made with fina over their shoulder every step of the way. thats what people are missing--blueseventy took the technology that speedo only put in specific areas of the suit because of fina regulations, and applied it to the entire suit |
#68 | Andre DeNegri said: Fred's record will stand because the jaked was approved by fina at the time of the swim. Alain's will not, as his suit was not approved.“What will happen to Fred's and Alain's records? And why would Fina approve a suit such as the Lzr, but not the Blueseventy? After all (not taking anything away from Phelps) the Lzr has had the most performance effects with the Olympics.” The B70 was axed because it is so buoyant - in other words, it cheats more than the LZR. I think they should both be illegal. FS-Pro/Tracer Rise and Light/Whatever Nike comes out with towards the end of this year/ is really where suit technology should stop. Maximize the ability of the athlete, don't enhance it. |
 #67 | What will happen to Fred's and Alain's records? And why would Fina approve a suit such as the Lzr, but not the Blueseventy? After all (not taking anything away from Phelps) the Lzr has had the most performance effects with the Olympics. |
 #66 | I just lost all respect for Speedo and FINA...i think ill try to be sure my teams suit this year (team briefs) is from Tyr. Those fat cats at Speedo are sure going to enjoy selling their $550 dollar body suits that aren't even available. |
#65 | To clear up the confusion: FINA approved all suits up until this point without any kind of testing. Then it realized that it was letting everything into the pool, so they thought up standards and finally did some real testing and that is why today they axed some suits. That's how something that was thought to be legal at the beginning of the year is now on the other side of legality. FINA was spitting out approvals just as carelessly as a normal person signs for package deliveries. The previous approvals were based on NOTHING and it was misleading by FINA to hand them out in such a way. Sadly, the swimmers get to literally pay the bill for FINA's carelessness. It doesn't mean there is no need for the suit regulations, but FINA was idiotic not to have started this testing the first time a LZR was shown to them. Hopefully B70 will be able to sort out this mess with FINA and remain in business. |
#64 | jack k, this will never happen simply because nobody can win in a speedo anymore. its not possible |
 #63 | This is BlueSeventy's CEO Steve Nicholls and his initial response to the ruling laid out by FINA today. |
#62 | couldn't agree more jack k.. |
#61 | The LZR Racer Pro is the LZR Racer. They just stuck the Pro at the end to continue with the FS-Pro theme. |
#60 | |
#59 | Anonymous Coward said: I'm assuming, because the name is different, that it is a different suit.“Are you guessing??” I feel like this is a pretty safe assumption. |
#58 | Anonymous Coward said: Are you guessing??“speedo lzr racer PRO not speedo lzr racer its like a prototype that theyre gonna come out with, itll be thinner and stuff” |
#57 | This is the best thing that could have happened to the swimming community. We get to see who is the best swimmer now, not who owns the fastest suit. |
#56 | Anonymous Coward said: speedo lzr racer PRO“yeah im wicked confused................. why the lzr over the b70??” not speedo lzr racer its like a prototype that theyre gonna come out with, itll be thinner and stuff |
#55 | I think instead of asking FINA to govern the suits, why not hold the athletes responsible? People get called out for wearing jammers at practice, why not make BRIEFS part of swim MEET culture? I guarantee that if someone wins in a brief everybody will get over the suits. All it takes is a few of the top tier guys to man up and go briefs only. Call out those who don't. Make it a matter of sportsmanship. Don't worry about the world records. As swim training evolves, times will eventually catch up to the records. Swimming is moving forward in terms of exposure, and these suits are just a distraction. How about some of the Speedo guys start rocking paper suits for old time's sake? It's come to the point where swimmers are wearing legs to every meet. What's that all about? Swimming was already an expensive sport, but now that families have to buy a $500 suit at the end of every season just so their child doesn't get psyched out, it's getting ridiculous. At this point, it's a matter of exploitation of swimmers by suit companies. The suits pretty much guarantee time improvements to a certain degree, and they jack up the price as far as people are willing to buy them. I'm not saying I don't wear legs at championships, but at a certain point why not just work that much harder instead of hoping your suit gets you the time? |
#54 | my dad said that these companies can sue Fina and possibly speedo for a conflict of interest. I'm only twelve so forgive me, but he say's get a good attorney to these world record holders. He believes they have alot on speedo that is unethical in conduct along with Fina. Good luck with your law suits, this will be proven also in the timing of these alliegations of the suits. Beverly Hills Calif. |
#53 | Can we wear b70s and renegades at like usa swim meets and high school meets? OMG whats fina mean...does it include like sectionals and juniors?????!!!??!?!?! |
 #52 | fred said: I think it's the FS-2.“I googled it and nothing came up i really want to know what it is HELP” |
 #51 | great interview he seams like a great guy and just as upset as everyone that has purchased a B70 |
 #50 | this is what blueseventy CEO had to say about the FINA uling |
#49 | El Duderino said: Not approved.“What about the Aquazone Renegade?” FINA or USA Swimming for that matter couldn't care less about their members. It's one thing for the Jaked or XGlide to be out of the game. But the B70 - or the Renegade - were the only affordable options for those of us who don't get paid to wear a suit. The Rocket Science would be a great option - except these a $$ holes may disapprove the suit when they meet again in July. |
#48 | so is this list just suits that are banned for international competition or at any meet? |
#47 | What about the Aquazone Renegade? |
#46 | Anonymous Coward said: TOUCHE!“There's the thing. If the B70 had a big Speedo Logo in the middle or didn't take a huge market share from Speedo (Rocket Science), it WOULD be approved.” |
#45 | Anonymous Coward said: There's the thing. If the B70 had a big Speedo Logo in the middle or didn't take a huge market share from Speedo (Rocket Science), it WOULD be approved.“yeah im wicked confused................. why the lzr over the b70??” |
#44 | can FINA really set a limit on which suits are "cheating" and which suits are "more cheating" its out of control. No matter what if you wear a LZR or TYR Tracer or whatever compared to the BlueSeventy you are still going to be at an advantage. I dont think they should be able to just all of a sudden yesterday say such and such suit is legal for competition, but now TODAY the same damn suit is illegal? it makes no sense |
#43 | jei said: Irie was mistakenly cited as swimming in the X-Glide. He was swimming in descente which IS approved on this list.“usa swimming has not announced anything yet...I'm surprised we can't get through JEI with B70's and Jaked 0103 or whatever...” |
#42 | If USAT dis-allow the suit that was legal last month...Sue them...easy. The coaches at the FINA meeting? mmmmm see their records and associated brands.... |
#41 | What is this? What about the thousands of dollars we've all spent on suits that aren't allowed, but were before?? This is ridiculous |
#40 | it irritates me that this is what the sport has come to, when someone swims fast the first question anyone asks is "what suit were they wearing?"...its pathetic and it makes me sick. |
#39 | Agreed Flofan! How do you approve something then unapprove it. I imagine to approve something you have to test it out first. How did the Blue 70 and Jaked pass to gain approval and now all of the sudden fail. Great job FINA! |
#38 | yeah im wicked confused................. why the lzr over the b70?? |
#37 | Yah same with the Jaked! Both the B70 and the Jaked were "approved" by fina earlier this year. This is just stupid. Make up your damn minds! |
#36 | how could they ban the b70 if it was fine earlier this year?? |
#35 | speedo paid em $1,000,000,000,000,000,000.56 |
#34 | how much do you think speedo paid FINA |
#33 | Alexander Hagenes said: yea maybe its a new modified version of the old LZR racer which is just about to be released or something“Well... I have never seen a LZR Racer Pro for sale.. just the LZR Racer, so.. maybe we are jumping the gun here...” |
#32 | So what does that mean for records broken in blueseventys?! |
#31 | The suit that Irie wore is not banned ,thats arenas new suit that made the list. |
#30 | Flow-So-Pro FS-Pro said: Who knows?“so to clarify... freddy bousquet and rafael munoz jaked was the j01 which is said to be banned the arena x glide is banned too which was worn by bernard (100 free) and Ry?suke Irie (200 back) and Felipe Silva(50 breast).” Just kidding, I think you're right on all those, except Irie, who was wearing some sort of hybrid Arena? I have read that what he wore was not the X-Glide. |
#29 | usa swimming has not announced anything yet...I'm surprised we can't get through JEI with B70's and Jaked 0103 or whatever... |
#28 | so to clarify... freddy bousquet and rafael munoz jaked was the j01 which is said to be banned the arena x glide is banned too which was worn by bernard (100 free) and Ry?suke Irie (200 back) and Felipe Silva(50 breast). |
#27 | i always wonder if reps get on here and talk up their product, |
#26 | All we saw at the last meet in charlotte was speedo suits busting out, the best suit out there right now is Arena anything. Whatever there material is they stay together! very expensive also, but I guess worth it. |
#25 | On the Jaked website...Under products there is only the JAKED J01 and at the bottom right hand corner is says "Approved by fina". That is a little bit confusing to me. Why would it say that? |
#24 | wow i was going to use a new B70 for jei too...... |
#23 | Anonymous Coward said: I googled it and nothing came up i really want to know what it is“what is the speedo flying fish?” HELP |
#22 | well have they been banned by usa swimming yet? if not could i still wear one in this months usa swimming meets? I know the usa swimming rules committe doesnt meet until june 1st i think, at the convention |
#21 | I believe its effective immediately. But there will be time for most of the manufacturers with suits not listed to re-submit for approval in the next 30 days. |
#20 | http://www.socalswim.org/Articles/ArticleDisplay.aspx?ArticleId=21931bf67c4f442b95d9881ce6350fbe&ReturnUrl;=/default.aspx Well, there goes that Blue70 I bought last week... |
#19 | so my understanding is the jaked j01 which the one freddy was wearing is banned then bc it says that the j03 is legal but not the j01 |
#18 | Blueseventy?????? |
#17 | yea when does it start |
#16 | when does the ban start? today? |
#15 | Greg Pilgrim said: Tyr titan is not ok, the only Tyr suits that are are the tracer light, tracer rise, and "a suit in development."“TYR Titan is okay. It's one of the A-somethings under TYR. I don't know about the others. http://scaq.blogspot.com/ has *some* more info on the TYR stuff.” |
#14 | TYR Titan is not approved |
#13 | So, can I wear a B70 at JEI this weekend or not? |
 #12 | TYR Titan is okay. It's one of the A-somethings under TYR. I don't know about the others. http://scaq.blogspot.com/ has *some* more info on the TYR stuff. |
#11 | I see a list of approved swim suits. Does anyone have a list of suits that are now banned? Going solely by FINA's list, it appears that a pair of board shorts are now banned. Are the following suits now banned: Jaked 01, any model Blue 70, TYR Titan, Aquazone Renegade, Arena X-Glide? What about the suit that Ryosuke Irie wore for his 200 bk world record? |
#10 | Well... I have never seen a LZR Racer Pro for sale.. just the LZR Racer, so.. maybe we are jumping the gun here... |
#9 | Anonymous Coward said: It is interesting that no one was writing the LZR is less "aiding" than the bouyancy suits like Jake, B70, and other outer rubberized non-permeable etc., suits till this guy.“The B70 cheats WAAAAY more than the LZR. The LZR changes your body position while the B70 is ridunkulously buoyant.” Speedo is pissed and is going to rake us all over the coals after we spent all our $$ on B70s last year. I wore a B70 Nero. Loved it - will miss it. Won't buy a LZR replacement for $550. though. Fun while it lasted. |
 #8 | I went snooping around, and it looks like Descente is really just a japanese company that delivers Arena suits to Japan. "Descente, which distributes the Arena brand in the Japanese market" from a June 1, 2008 SwimmingWorld Magazine article (http://www.swimmingworldmagazine.com/lane9/news/18160.asp). If so, are the "III Mar09" suits the suits Irie was wearing? |
 #7 | Don't speedo and fina realize that monopolies are illegal lol |
#6 | swim mom said: The B70 cheats WAAAAY more than the LZR. The LZR changes your body position while the B70 is ridunkulously buoyant.“approved LZR and not Blue70? I don't get it!!” |
#5 | approved LZR and not Blue70? I don't get it!! |
#4 | what is the speedo flying fish? |
#3 | Yeah, we're left with the most expensive, least durable suit in the history of the sport. Yippee! |
 #2 | http://swimviking.blogspot.com/2009/05/finas-list-is-on-my-list-if-you-know.html this list is no surprise to me. |
