haha wow uss swimmer you are way too cool. i hope one day to be as fast as you and be able to come to floswimming coverage pages and knock down people that are trying their best, it seems like a lot of fun. no one here is disagreeing with you when you say that USS swimming is on a different level then most ymca teams, but everyone, besides you and a select few really cool people, is able to see that ymca swimming stands for something different then a normal club team.
Exactly what Mango/Swimfan would do, be a about this and resort to childish games, well congragulations you are offically the biggest and dumassin the world.
sorry everyone, i truly suck and i just wanted to let you guys know that i've been lying this whole time just to try and feel better about how slow i am
It is quite pathetic that you Americans have such disdain for the truth. If you Swimming Wana bes would just suck up your pride and admit to the truth, your life would be a whole lot easier, but no you go qquestioning others acheivments and act like you are the correct one, talk about a disgrace to your fellow Americans, Mango and Swimfan gadies and gentlemen.
I still dont believe that this jackwad ever was an olympian, no olympian in their right mind would go and post about y nationals and how much the meet sucks, plus they'd have to be Mr.Ego to post their whole life story on here, i still think it just some kid with crap times whose looking to hurt some feelings, but if it really is a Swiss olympian, which I'm 99% sure it isn't, then you, my friend, are a disgrace to your country, as well as the entire swimming community
So, now you're trash-talking Phelps? I guess no one is good enough for the former "Swiss Olympic team" wannabe. Phelps was raised by a single mom who helped him channel his ADHD energy into something great. That's inspirational -
Maybe, now that you've hung up your goggles, you could sign up for an English/grammar class or take Dale Carnegie's course, "How to Win Friends and Influence People." Your arrogance and ignorance weren't even entertaining, but the support from everyone else for the great kids who swim (whether it's Y or USS) was excellent.
1st Your apology is accepted however in the future don't ruch to sterotypes. I posted on here because I needed to speak the truth and as people can see I did indeed speak the truth as Y swimmers agree with me. The way Phelps acts in front of the camera is totally different than the way he does off. I know this from first hand experience. I am all for promoting swimming with Y programs; don't make such a ibg deal about Y nats because like I said, for the most part it is a crap meet, so why floswimming was there and not at the Open is beyond me. And I am completely sastifyed with my swimming tiems and my performances. I went out there with the very best that this day and age has to offer and I held me own. And my times are still among the best in America, and are pretty much the best for the Swiss. I probably should have trained one more year for the Olympics; but I had goals going into the sport and I accomplished those goals. So I figures that it was time to move on. And no, I went out on my best and that is how ill leave it, I am done with swimming for my life. Those long days of three a day workouts and waking up at 4:30 AM fot that chilly dive in the pool are over for me so is the cheering of the crowd and the support of my family, friends, teamates coaches and country.
Ok I see that some of this debate has degraded into a match but my original points stand,USS Swimmer.
Sorry about my assumption that you might just be a hater and not a top athlete in your day, but I just could not imagine a former top athlete "thread crapping" by telling a competitive organization that it is "trash" simply because it is not up to your previous level. Making yourself look good at others expense is not the kind of behavior I would expect by a true Olympian, who is supposed to be an ambassador of the sport and country, not a snob. Note how when Phelps is interviewed he says he is glad to help build awareness of the sport to increase the level of involvement and improve it. He doesn't say "just a note to all you non-USS, sub-Olympic swimmers working your tails off in pathetic programs like the YMCA: don't even bother because you are 'trash' and the goals you are so happy about achieving are jokes." That kind of elitist attitude only drags down the sport. Your "personal best" times are impressive but even you would admit they just wouldn't make the cut compared to those who have actually achieved "being the best." So unfortunately, the platform of logic you presented crumbles underneath you. Being the best in an absolute sense often comes as a result of athletes just trying to beat "their best time" and swim "their race." Listen to interviews after the race and tell me if I'm wrong. Finally, I'd like you to note how even "Anonymous Ccward" gave you your props for your times. That's the kind of class that exemplifies Y swimming. Please accept what we are telling you: that this program is not only about being the best swimmer in an absolute sense, but about doing your best, learning values and working as a team. Now stop thread crapping and go to a USS forum and see how your old times compare there! Good luck at Masters if you decide to do that!
When I offically retired from swimming in 2007, by best times LCM were, 52.93 1fly, 22.17 50 FR, 49.11 100 FR, and 1:01.42 in 1BR. I could swim any sprint except backstroke, so my fly and breast was a very odd combo. And yes, I am not saying all Y teams are "trash" but the majority are. Schr. Y along with the others I mentioned are pretty legit from my knowledge and other coaches experience with them. But, people just think Y nat is so big and bad when it really is a bush league meet for 99.3 % of the people competing. Yes there are the select few .7 % who are legit like colbert, but the rest arnt. And the reason those records havent been broken is the fact that they are so legit, it is a challange for any swimmer to break them because they are held by such notable USS swimmers who seriously traing and competed at the highest level in order to break those records.
im not saying colbert is on the level of crocker or phelps you . no one is. im saying how can you say that ymca teams are trash when they have a guy that goes that fast? think of how many less ymca teams there are then the total number of uss teams. of course there wont be nearly as much quality swimmers when the pool to choose from is so much smaller. and uss swimmer who are you and how fast do you go? i hope your not a slow jabroni who thinks he's sweet because he swims with fast guys.
Never even heard of an Olympic swim team from Switzerland...but I'm sure it would
be 100X easier to latch on to that group than try to make the US Olympic team. One of
the youngest at Olympic trials was a 13 year old breaststoker (Y swimmer). Is the Swiss
swim team friends with that bobsled team from Jamaica? Again, anyone trash talking
fellow swimmers, reflects only the speaker not the great athletes who represented their
Y's at Nationals...
Excuse me USS Swimmer most people who swim ynationals are USS registered and participate in both programs. Then again you sound like a sad "never been" at either to me.
To Annonymous Coward:
So basically what your talking aboout is how young this kid is and that he put up a respectable time, ok well let me give you some history then on some similar uss swimmers,1:53.87 8/7/1997 Ian Crocker, PP-ME 2 FR, 2:02.78 4/2/1998 Aaron Peirsol, NOVA-CA 2BK, 1:04.74 1/1/1994 Anthony Robinson 1BR, 23.52 8/9/1997 Jason Cobb, WTRC-OH 50 FR, 51.59 1/1/1987 Noel Strauss GC-AM 1FR,. Every single one of those swimmers was 14 and swam for USS teams. Every single one of those records is faster, in retrospect to the 100 BR time of Colbert, including the 1:04 100 BR from Anthony Robinson when he was 14, did colbert go that when he was 14, didnt think so. Also, colbert would not have even been the fastest 18&U swimmer at trials with that time in order to become on the World Youth Team, a USS Swimmer was. No please you amatures need to stop it with this ludicrious examples trying to defend your swimming orginzation. You people have very poor debate skills along with swimming ability. Now you can suck on that.
idk will colbert from schroeder ymca went 1:03.79. he's swam at schroder his whole life. but yeah thats not that fast..did i mention that was in the 100 breaststroke
To Mango:
You American are sadly mistaken. I swam with a college team here in American as well as the local USS team that was affilated with the college program. Until, you have gone to the olympics and represented your country at the highest level you have absoutly nothing to say about training hard, mainly because you probably don't even have a trial cut and just dream big but have no actual talent to achieve those dreams. Also, YMCAs are a complete joke compared to Open or JRNS because they are much much slower, so how can you say that YMCA teams have the right to compete at USS meets even though they have much slower standards. Because USS swimmers can't swim Y is the fact that USS swimming is far more superior in times, history, and technology to Y swimming making Y swimming inferior to any USS swimming orginazation.
1. You're not from Switzerland because a. Switzerland is neutral, and you're clearly not b. No guy from Switzerland would be so intent on defending USS otherwise known as United States Swimming 2. I put up more yardage in a month than you probably do the whole season 3. Swimming is not merely about going to fast meets, its about having fun 4. I think USS teams aren't allowed at YMCA nationals because USS teams don't go to YMCAS!!(I'll work on getting you in though if you want, and then I'll smoke you) and YMCA teams are allowed to swim USS if their team registers to be a USS team, technically making them a YMCA and a USS team
Not to mention the fact the USS teams arnt allowed to swim Y meets but Y teams can swim Uss meets, Y because USS Swimmers would dominate if they would so choose to swim at the Y nats. There is a reason y the Y nat cuts are a thousand time slower than the JRNs cuts
to Kyle Morrison:
Yes, like I said a very small amount of Y swimmers are actually legit, I never said none. Weber-Gale is not a Y swimmer, he did become fast until he trained with TXLA in the summers and fall and then swim at Wisconsin state champs. The HS athletics association threw a fit because he did that, but wait he did that ebecause the Y teams, which there were only Y teams near him in Nicolet, were awful and not serious, thus proving my point. And your just taking a good Y swimmer like Adam, and trying to say he is legit to compete at Open ans the like even though he never has.
You have your own opinion. That is a great generalization that you have no support to back up. Take for example Nathan Butler, got thrown off CAC, then had to train for ABLY, since he hated the marlins and mason. He doesnt like the Y meets and dosent try his hardest their. But unfortunately he has to go to the meet. The fast swimming is what makes the meet fun. Also, you proved my point that Y swimming is not about swimming fast with your comment, "TheY is about more than swimming fast...Y swimming is about learning to have fun with swimming, building lifelong friendships with peers, and learning how to build character which makes you a better person and a better swimmer," so thank you.
You are completely incorrect. For example, the only swimmer from Countryside competing at JRNs now is Jim Barbierie, and that is because he is finished with CY, and is now going to be affilated with CM when he competes in the summers after the winter season with IU, following in his Dad's Larry Barbierie's footsteps, who was an NCAA champion after swimming for CM.
I am going to respond in the order in which people replied.
To Life: 1st Olympians would not have anything to say against me as I was a 2X Olympian for Switzerland. 2nd Swimming is about competing and striving to be the best not just your own personal best. If this is such a prestigious meet than those swimmers should have goals about making it to the olympics, but a very very small %age of them even have trial cuts. 3rd Yes, I am very well aware that in certain areas such a Pottstown that the Y team is the only choice for most people. If they were indeed really serious and needed the work then they should drive the hour to GAAC and train for the ster. Shrick has natural talent and I'm not calling him out because he did indeeed produce. 4th And no, none of the Y swimmers can out preform a Olympian.
patrick shirk, this years 200y backstroke ncaa champion from penn state
garrett weber-gale... nuff said
adam mania, who is EXTREMELY talented and a great guy
melvin stewart...
PLENTY of others... dont say something that you dont know anything about
TheY is about more than swimming fast and purely USS swimmers can't understand that until they swim for Y team. Y swimming is about learning to have fun with swimming, building lifelong friendships with peers, and learning how to build character which makes you a better person and a better swimmer. Also Y Nationals is more fun than Jrs. and US Opens, I think that is why a lot of swimmers opt out of those faster meets. Just so all the USS swimmers know Y teams train hard if not harder than most USS teams and USS swimmers just can't understand how the Y works until they swim on one of those teams. In fact many USS swimmers are jealous that they don't ahve a fun meet like the Y does with fast and a good time.
Most of the Y swimmers are also USS swimmers - trash talk reflects on the speaker, not the swimmers - they are all champions to make it to the National level -- reflects sacrifice, goal-setting, hard work, courage...Congrats to all who swam a great meet - -
Your comments:
"YMCA swimming is a (sic) insult all true USS Swimmers..."
"...kids who arnt (sic) good enough..."
Response:
1. I wonder how you'd feel if Olympians said that about you?
2. Swimming is about doing your best and appreciating that in others - whatever competitive level that might be. That's what was exemplified at YMCA Nats, where they celebrated handicapped athletes who competed to a standing ovation from all athletes and fans (as much as they celebrated record breakers who made it to Olympic trials).
3. In some areas, Y teams are the best choices for talented swimmers. They have a choice to compete at USA Zones or even Jr Nats and choose Y Nats.
4. You have far too much negative energy and my guess is there are several Y athletes that can outperform you (if you are an athlete and not just a hater).
Honestly, YMCA Swimming for the most part is a complete joke. Yes, there are some Y programs that produce great swimmers like YMCA of Triangles area and Sarasota Y, but mostly this is just for kids who arnt good enough to swim at US Open or Junior Nationals and cant handle the training associated with serious USS Club Teams. I mean honestly for how many YMCA National Champions there are how many have gone on to have prominent careers in college, not many. Cramer, Alexandrov sure, but not many others. YMCA swimming is a insult to all the true USS Swimmers that can compete at the highest level.
oh i love y nats im not dissin it but it seems like more and more teams are leaving this meet and going to jrs instead... and luke, what exactly does "dah" mean?
yo, so @ jefferson swim league (JSL) champs in charlottesville va, i had a girl come up to me and ask "does a veggie burger taste like a regular burger? i can't eat one since im tapering for y-nats" I couldn't help it, and i started spontaneously laughing.
2008 YMCA Long Course Nationals
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Maybe, now that you've hung up your goggles, you could sign up for an English/grammar class or take Dale Carnegie's course, "How to Win Friends and Influence People." Your arrogance and ignorance weren't even entertaining, but the support from everyone else for the great kids who swim (whether it's Y or USS) was excellent.
Sorry about my assumption that you might just be a hater and not a top athlete in your day, but I just could not imagine a former top athlete "thread crapping" by telling a competitive organization that it is "trash" simply because it is not up to your previous level. Making yourself look good at others expense is not the kind of behavior I would expect by a true Olympian, who is supposed to be an ambassador of the sport and country, not a snob. Note how when Phelps is interviewed he says he is glad to help build awareness of the sport to increase the level of involvement and improve it. He doesn't say "just a note to all you non-USS, sub-Olympic swimmers working your tails off in pathetic programs like the YMCA: don't even bother because you are 'trash' and the goals you are so happy about achieving are jokes." That kind of elitist attitude only drags down the sport. Your "personal best" times are impressive but even you would admit they just wouldn't make the cut compared to those who have actually achieved "being the best." So unfortunately, the platform of logic you presented crumbles underneath you. Being the best in an absolute sense often comes as a result of athletes just trying to beat "their best time" and swim "their race." Listen to interviews after the race and tell me if I'm wrong. Finally, I'd like you to note how even "Anonymous Ccward" gave you your props for your times. That's the kind of class that exemplifies Y swimming. Please accept what we are telling you: that this program is not only about being the best swimmer in an absolute sense, but about doing your best, learning values and working as a team. Now stop thread crapping and go to a USS forum and see how your old times compare there! Good luck at Masters if you decide to do that!
be 100X easier to latch on to that group than try to make the US Olympic team. One of
the youngest at Olympic trials was a 13 year old breaststoker (Y swimmer). Is the Swiss
swim team friends with that bobsled team from Jamaica? Again, anyone trash talking
fellow swimmers, reflects only the speaker not the great athletes who represented their
Y's at Nationals...
So basically what your talking aboout is how young this kid is and that he put up a respectable time, ok well let me give you some history then on some similar uss swimmers,1:53.87 8/7/1997 Ian Crocker, PP-ME 2 FR, 2:02.78 4/2/1998 Aaron Peirsol, NOVA-CA 2BK, 1:04.74 1/1/1994 Anthony Robinson 1BR, 23.52 8/9/1997 Jason Cobb, WTRC-OH 50 FR, 51.59 1/1/1987 Noel Strauss GC-AM 1FR,. Every single one of those swimmers was 14 and swam for USS teams. Every single one of those records is faster, in retrospect to the 100 BR time of Colbert, including the 1:04 100 BR from Anthony Robinson when he was 14, did colbert go that when he was 14, didnt think so. Also, colbert would not have even been the fastest 18&U swimmer at trials with that time in order to become on the World Youth Team, a USS Swimmer was. No please you amatures need to stop it with this ludicrious examples trying to defend your swimming orginzation. You people have very poor debate skills along with swimming ability. Now you can suck on that.
You American are sadly mistaken. I swam with a college team here in American as well as the local USS team that was affilated with the college program. Until, you have gone to the olympics and represented your country at the highest level you have absoutly nothing to say about training hard, mainly because you probably don't even have a trial cut and just dream big but have no actual talent to achieve those dreams. Also, YMCAs are a complete joke compared to Open or JRNS because they are much much slower, so how can you say that YMCA teams have the right to compete at USS meets even though they have much slower standards. Because USS swimmers can't swim Y is the fact that USS swimming is far more superior in times, history, and technology to Y swimming making Y swimming inferior to any USS swimming orginazation.
Yes, like I said a very small amount of Y swimmers are actually legit, I never said none. Weber-Gale is not a Y swimmer, he did become fast until he trained with TXLA in the summers and fall and then swim at Wisconsin state champs. The HS athletics association threw a fit because he did that, but wait he did that ebecause the Y teams, which there were only Y teams near him in Nicolet, were awful and not serious, thus proving my point. And your just taking a good Y swimmer like Adam, and trying to say he is legit to compete at Open ans the like even though he never has.
To Life: 1st Olympians would not have anything to say against me as I was a 2X Olympian for Switzerland. 2nd Swimming is about competing and striving to be the best not just your own personal best. If this is such a prestigious meet than those swimmers should have goals about making it to the olympics, but a very very small %age of them even have trial cuts. 3rd Yes, I am very well aware that in certain areas such a Pottstown that the Y team is the only choice for most people. If they were indeed really serious and needed the work then they should drive the hour to GAAC and train for the ster. Shrick has natural talent and I'm not calling him out because he did indeeed produce. 4th And no, none of the Y swimmers can out preform a Olympian.
garrett weber-gale... nuff said
adam mania, who is EXTREMELY talented and a great guy
melvin stewart...
PLENTY of others... dont say something that you dont know anything about
"YMCA swimming is a (sic) insult all true USS Swimmers..."
"...kids who arnt (sic) good enough..."
Response:
1. I wonder how you'd feel if Olympians said that about you?
2. Swimming is about doing your best and appreciating that in others - whatever competitive level that might be. That's what was exemplified at YMCA Nats, where they celebrated handicapped athletes who competed to a standing ovation from all athletes and fans (as much as they celebrated record breakers who made it to Olympic trials).
3. In some areas, Y teams are the best choices for talented swimmers. They have a choice to compete at USA Zones or even Jr Nats and choose Y Nats.
4. You have far too much negative energy and my guess is there are several Y athletes that can outperform you (if you are an athlete and not just a hater).