Matt Kredich As a standout backstroker at Duke, Matt earned All American Honors. His transition to the side of the pool started at his alma mater before taking an assistant job at Harvard. Head coaching… + See More +
Matt Kredich As a standout backstroker at Duke, Matt earned All American Honors. His transition to the side of the pool started at his alma mater before taking an assistant job at Harvard. Head coaching… + See More
As a standout backstroker at Duke, Matt earned All American Honors. His transition to the side of the pool started at his alma mater before taking an assistant job at Harvard. Head coaching roles at Brown and Richmond turned out a number of All Americans for Kredich, who was hired by Tennessee in 2005.
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Neuro February 16, 2009 at 1:28pm
To Taxing -
Neuromuscular fatigue is much, much different than muscular fatigue. You're most likely a distance swimmer... muscular fatigue you can recover from quite quickly. Neuromuscular fatigue takes longer and coaches have no real way of measuring it, making it much harder to get a good feel for where people are.
We did the set. Lots of kids went near best times on both 100's.
Nobody complained.
On saturday I asked the kids "what did you think the easiest day was?" Almost all said "the day we did the Lady Vols set.
The only reason swimmers are sore from a set like this is if they don't stretch/warmup/warmdown correctly. Everyone is sore from everything if they don't warm up and warm down correctly.
Think about this: What happens to the Lady Vols at the meet when they have to swim in races? They probably average 300 racing yards a day. Are they all tired the second day because of the "Taxing" first day of the meet? The answer is "no" because 300 hard yards at full speed is not as taxing as these posts lead people to believe.
I believe that coaches regularly train swimmers for events they will never swim, and it's because of this that I believe most swimmers and coaches have a misguided view of how to go fast. I think Matt and the UT staff have it correct.
It's my opinion that even some top-tier teams train their distance swimmers to swim the 3000, their mid-distance swimmers to swim the mile, their 200 stroke swimmers to swim the 4-500, and their 100 swimmers to swim the 200 or 4-500.
I think that the set is great for a 200 stroke swimmer.
Think about it. The set is 500 yards long. For the women who swim the 200 yard stroke event (most of any college team), they are swimming 2.5x the amount of the event.
Compare to a swimmer training for the 1650 Free, instead of a 200 stroke.
For a 1650 swimmer to do a set that is 2.5x the distance of the race, the set would be 4,125 yards long -- let's round that to 4,000 yards.
I know a lot of teams that go 4000 yard sets, let's say 20x200 or 10x400 -- maybe some are more along the lines of 3000 yard sets like 10x300 or 6x500. These are sets done with regularity, and are probably more prevalent on club teams with high school-aged swimmers, but they are certainly used in many collegiate programs. And if during one of these sets of 10x300 somebody is cranking out mile pace for the duration, as coaches we're thinking that's really good.
And it is really good -- for a miler. It's counter-intuitive for a 200 swimmer though, in my opinion.
So what's the difference between the UT set: 2x (100 + 2x25 + 2x50) -- for a 200 stroke swimmer, and a set of 5x: (300 + 2x75 + 2x150) -- for a 1650 swimmer. The UT is a 500 (2.5x the distance) and the 1650 set is 3750 (just under 2.5x the distance).
It's really the same thing. Had Matt had the UT girls do that set 5x, that would be 1250 yards of race pace type swimming. They would have been trashed for a week and a half! That's like the above mile set done 12x through, which is certainly doable -- but if you do it right it just takes so long to recover. People get sick. Being able to come back the next day and do some aerobic swimming is that best option at this time of year.”
You are money in your thinking...why does every coach have 11 year olds swim the 400 IM like crap and love it? It's cuase that easy to do vs. having formal plan that says if you swim for 20 plus 50 plus or 2 minutes you should have speed vs hours of endurance....hope to see his team kick some but as those girls looked like they were rocking it. sweet video!
Jenny Connolly seems to be doing awesome! she left behind some pretty crazy state records. I'm looking foward to what she can put up at SECs. incredible!!
i just did this set today...and although it doesnt look hard...trust me it is actually quite difficult. the second time through hurts a lot if you do it properly in the begining. its a different type of pain then you would get from doing 10x400's b.a., but as a mid-distance swimmer i think the set really benifited me.
p.s. to TAXING, how about you try doing the set and then lets see how tired you are
KRS-ONE is just the comment that this video needs. Granted there are tons of roads to travel to get to a great race, especially since swimming performances are still steadily becoming faster there is no one way to be the best yet :).
I believe that coaches regularly train swimmers for events they will never swim, and it's because of this that I believe most swimmers and coaches have a misguided view of how to go fast. I think Matt and the UT staff have it correct.
It's my opinion that even some top-tier teams train their distance swimmers to swim the 3000, their mid-distance swimmers to swim the mile, their 200 stroke swimmers to swim the 4-500, and their 100 swimmers to swim the 200 or 4-500.
I think that the set is great for a 200 stroke swimmer.
Think about it. The set is 500 yards long. For the women who swim the 200 yard stroke event (most of any college team), they are swimming 2.5x the amount of the event.
Compare to a swimmer training for the 1650 Free, instead of a 200 stroke.
For a 1650 swimmer to do a set that is 2.5x the distance of the race, the set would be 4,125 yards long -- let's round that to 4,000 yards.
I know a lot of teams that go 4000 yard sets, let's say 20x200 or 10x400 -- maybe some are more along the lines of 3000 yard sets like 10x300 or 6x500. These are sets done with regularity, and are probably more prevalent on club teams with high school-aged swimmers, but they are certainly used in many collegiate programs. And if during one of these sets of 10x300 somebody is cranking out mile pace for the duration, as coaches we're thinking that's really good.
And it is really good -- for a miler. It's counter-intuitive for a 200 swimmer though, in my opinion.
So what's the difference between the UT set: 2x (100 + 2x25 + 2x50) -- for a 200 stroke swimmer, and a set of 5x: (300 + 2x75 + 2x150) -- for a 1650 swimmer. The UT is a 500 (2.5x the distance) and the 1650 set is 3750 (just under 2.5x the distance).
It's really the same thing. Had Matt had the UT girls do that set 5x, that would be 1250 yards of race pace type swimming. They would have been trashed for a week and a half! That's like the above mile set done 12x through, which is certainly doable -- but if you do it right it just takes so long to recover. People get sick. Being able to come back the next day and do some aerobic swimming is that best option at this time of year.
Yea how much rest were these girls getting between everything? I saw that the 50's were on 0:50, but the 25's? How much rest were they getting between the 100's and 25's and 50's?
Did I miss something within the set? If I followed it correctly then they went a total of 400y hard. Would that not be the equivalent of a single meet? 4 MR, 2 100's of stroke and the 4 FR. I like what he refers to resting / recovering the the nervous system but I don't see this as extremely taxing. Did I miss something?
i'd say that the best way for me is to swim some sprint 25's for time with plenty of rest, varying my tempo. the stroke count yielding the fastest time is the one i try to use - obviously it must be lowered slightly for longer races.
for distance swimmers, i would think the best way is to do a lot of work on 500 pace etc, to let them get the feel for how varying their stroke rate alters their times across as set.
Kredich doesn't tax the swimmers for 4 weeks before taper. That seems like a long time. I would like to learn more because that is a pretty long taper. Is this something one would only do with college swimmer (I.E. not age-groupers) ?
Garrett, it seems like the rest intervals were simply going from one thing to the next. Do you remember what the 2x25s were on? Or was it just "go when you're ready?" How about the 2x50s?
to add on/ make clear the temp trainer thing...every time you hear the beep you should be at the same spot in your stroke, so one beep equals one complete stroke cycle
It is a tool that the swimming puts on his/her ear and listens to a beep. Every time it beeps the swimmer is supposed to take a stroke. You can set the temp trainer to difference tempo (higher or lower stroke rate)
I think he's an advocate of that russian super-system where it gives you practices and target times for each swimmer from a computer program. Is this from that?
Ok, I've been pretty good about releasing a workout a week so I figure for the sake of alliteration I should start doing a Weekly Wednesday Workout. What do you think?
Lady Vols Workout
Neuromuscular fatigue is much, much different than muscular fatigue. You're most likely a distance swimmer... muscular fatigue you can recover from quite quickly. Neuromuscular fatigue takes longer and coaches have no real way of measuring it, making it much harder to get a good feel for where people are.
We did the set. Lots of kids went near best times on both 100's.
Nobody complained.
On saturday I asked the kids "what did you think the easiest day was?" Almost all said "the day we did the Lady Vols set.
The only reason swimmers are sore from a set like this is if they don't stretch/warmup/warmdown correctly. Everyone is sore from everything if they don't warm up and warm down correctly.
Think about this: What happens to the Lady Vols at the meet when they have to swim in races? They probably average 300 racing yards a day. Are they all tired the second day because of the "Taxing" first day of the meet? The answer is "no" because 300 hard yards at full speed is not as taxing as these posts lead people to believe.
“In Response to 'taxing'
I believe that coaches regularly train swimmers for events they will never swim, and it's because of this that I believe most swimmers and coaches have a misguided view of how to go fast. I think Matt and the UT staff have it correct.
It's my opinion that even some top-tier teams train their distance swimmers to swim the 3000, their mid-distance swimmers to swim the mile, their 200 stroke swimmers to swim the 4-500, and their 100 swimmers to swim the 200 or 4-500.
I think that the set is great for a 200 stroke swimmer.
Think about it. The set is 500 yards long. For the women who swim the 200 yard stroke event (most of any college team), they are swimming 2.5x the amount of the event.
Compare to a swimmer training for the 1650 Free, instead of a 200 stroke.
For a 1650 swimmer to do a set that is 2.5x the distance of the race, the set would be 4,125 yards long -- let's round that to 4,000 yards.
I know a lot of teams that go 4000 yard sets, let's say 20x200 or 10x400 -- maybe some are more along the lines of 3000 yard sets like 10x300 or 6x500. These are sets done with regularity, and are probably more prevalent on club teams with high school-aged swimmers, but they are certainly used in many collegiate programs. And if during one of these sets of 10x300 somebody is cranking out mile pace for the duration, as coaches we're thinking that's really good.
And it is really good -- for a miler. It's counter-intuitive for a 200 swimmer though, in my opinion.
So what's the difference between the UT set: 2x (100 + 2x25 + 2x50) -- for a 200 stroke swimmer, and a set of 5x: (300 + 2x75 + 2x150) -- for a 1650 swimmer. The UT is a 500 (2.5x the distance) and the 1650 set is 3750 (just under 2.5x the distance).
It's really the same thing. Had Matt had the UT girls do that set 5x, that would be 1250 yards of race pace type swimming. They would have been trashed for a week and a half! That's like the above mile set done 12x through, which is certainly doable -- but if you do it right it just takes so long to recover. People get sick. Being able to come back the next day and do some aerobic swimming is that best option at this time of year.”
p.s. to TAXING, how about you try doing the set and then lets see how tired you are
I believe that coaches regularly train swimmers for events they will never swim, and it's because of this that I believe most swimmers and coaches have a misguided view of how to go fast. I think Matt and the UT staff have it correct.
It's my opinion that even some top-tier teams train their distance swimmers to swim the 3000, their mid-distance swimmers to swim the mile, their 200 stroke swimmers to swim the 4-500, and their 100 swimmers to swim the 200 or 4-500.
I think that the set is great for a 200 stroke swimmer.
Think about it. The set is 500 yards long. For the women who swim the 200 yard stroke event (most of any college team), they are swimming 2.5x the amount of the event.
Compare to a swimmer training for the 1650 Free, instead of a 200 stroke.
For a 1650 swimmer to do a set that is 2.5x the distance of the race, the set would be 4,125 yards long -- let's round that to 4,000 yards.
I know a lot of teams that go 4000 yard sets, let's say 20x200 or 10x400 -- maybe some are more along the lines of 3000 yard sets like 10x300 or 6x500. These are sets done with regularity, and are probably more prevalent on club teams with high school-aged swimmers, but they are certainly used in many collegiate programs. And if during one of these sets of 10x300 somebody is cranking out mile pace for the duration, as coaches we're thinking that's really good.
And it is really good -- for a miler. It's counter-intuitive for a 200 swimmer though, in my opinion.
So what's the difference between the UT set: 2x (100 + 2x25 + 2x50) -- for a 200 stroke swimmer, and a set of 5x: (300 + 2x75 + 2x150) -- for a 1650 swimmer. The UT is a 500 (2.5x the distance) and the 1650 set is 3750 (just under 2.5x the distance).
It's really the same thing. Had Matt had the UT girls do that set 5x, that would be 1250 yards of race pace type swimming. They would have been trashed for a week and a half! That's like the above mile set done 12x through, which is certainly doable -- but if you do it right it just takes so long to recover. People get sick. Being able to come back the next day and do some aerobic swimming is that best option at this time of year.
I am confused. Someone smarter than me needs to explain!
for distance swimmers, i would think the best way is to do a lot of work on 500 pace etc, to let them get the feel for how varying their stroke rate alters their times across as set.