Thanks for a further description of the different options you use at Baylor. No doubt you are in good hands there -- congrats on all of your recent success, and best of luck in the future.
It looks like you can see more about Coach Flack's wamups in one the most recent issues of Swimming World.
I have swum for Coach Flack for a while - we do this warm up some day but most days we do a series of 200's with vertical kicks and drymand movments mixed in - we do this warm up closer to our championship meets - and we are always told how the particulars of the warm up relates to the rest of the practice - many times we will get up and do a 200 relay or a short race right after the warm up and we go fast - it gives us a ton of confidence - that is great coaching - that is what makes Coach Flack - look at the results - who heard of Baylor before him? now we are a national champion team and the top silver medal club!
Sounds good but as far as I'm concerned the warmup should always lead into the set. Is the main set the same every day? NO. The warmup should lead into the set.
Dave Salo has always run the same warmup as well. However, his warmups are usually 1000 yards, which opens up some more time for a more specific warmup going into the set....which I like better.
However, I do think Coach Flack does a great job generally with his swimmers. Just stating my opinion>
never been a fan of team warm-ups at meets. always swam on a team that let us warm up individually. mind you, most of the groups did similar things on their own, but there were always those few (myself included) who just did our own warm-up. ALWAYS a team warm-down. But doesnt each swimmer need something different to get their body ready to race? thoughts?
josh nice abercrombie shirt..i have the same one and i get all the girls with it like im sure you do too..
tyler johnson swam for NAC, and UofA..he went like 19.3 in his 50 free way before any suits..i wouldnt say john morse supports the way that he chose to write his thoughts on nac, but im sure morse supports the general idea of what he was saying..anyway this quote was taken out of context in the first place, and didnt even need to appear here, honestly i think garret should take down all the quotes that dont have anything to do with this video (including this one) because people who dont have much to talk about when backing up their club are actually embarrassing themselves and their club. obviously baylor is a good high school team, and is getting to be a better club team probably mostly due to flacks coaching and his ability to motivate his swimmers to do what it takes.
Oh really? said: “I was the person saying that NAC and Morse should be ashamed of Tyler Johnson's comments. You say that I don't understand who he is and that quote. What I DO understand is self-respect, class and allowing your performance to speak for itself. I don't care who Tyler Johnson is and I'm not sure what's to "understand" about him or the quote. I've worked with, spoken to and spent time with some of the top coaches in the country.....and if John Morse counts himself among those (or wishes to), he would never endorse or support Tyler's comments.”
That Johnson guy's quote makes them seem more like a bunch of anti-social tools, rather than a team.
I'm sorry, but no one here is impressed by your team's post-workout bulimia.
ok first of all baylor has an amazing coach yes we all know, but half the reason the are so good is cause they recruit from all over the world lets take grodzki for example amazing swimmer but the ordered him from germany and regardless of how many seniors they loose they won state by over 300 points nobody has a chance and yea nac and pilot and excel and all great teams baylor has done some magor ranking up lately and if yall want to be the weekly workout so badly why dont u try and get your coach to ask
Correction said: “Whoever was saying NAC and John Morse should be ashamed of Tyler Johnson doesn't understand who Tyler Johnson is and doesn't understand that quote at all.”
I was the person saying that NAC and Morse should be ashamed of Tyler Johnson's comments. You say that I don't understand who he is and that quote. What I DO understand is self-respect, class and allowing your performance to speak for itself. I don't care who Tyler Johnson is and I'm not sure what's to "understand" about him or the quote. I've worked with, spoken to and spent time with some of the top coaches in the country.....and if John Morse counts himself among those (or wishes to), he would never endorse or support Tyler's comments.
To the friend from the Northeast: Who trains outside? I understand the lack of 50-meter pools comment, but cold weather really doesn't inhibit training.
And whoever said "how can you say they do bad in big meets lol," Did you miss the medley-relay comments?
jw4life said: “jarvis werkhaven is definitely the kobe bryant of swimming
i wouldnt be surprised to see him break 18 at next year's state high school meet”
wow. okay alot of people are saying that baylor sucks and doesn't work hard for what they accomplish(which happens to include being NATIONAL CHAMPIONS). as a swimmer for baylor, i for one, can safely say that none of our accomplishments would have ever been possible if it had not been for ridiculously intense work in and out of the pool. plus, the kids on the team are really welcoming and get along amazingly. i once heard someone say that baylor was into "steroids" and thats the only reason we did well. umm. NO. we do well because we are not alone when we race. we know the real meaning of being a TEAM and helping each other out when the going gets tough. thats what i think about when i race. so, next time anyone thinks about saying something bad about baylor, why not keep your mouth (or computer) closed if you cant say anything nice. thank you and good night.
I can't wait until the RMSC guys show up on here and tell us about how much better they are than everyone else in the universe. Screw Baylor and NAC... San Dimas High School Football Rules!
what is so cool about this video is how Coach Flack has changed his style - alot of it based on the general amount of time and space the team gets in the warm down pool at meets
Tyler Johnson Fan said: “"And John Morse , for me, is the driving force of this culture. Through his brand of tough love and strange humor this man gave me more experiences and lessons that would stick with me than my own father. you better ****ing believe we'll be defensive, possessive, and johny on the ****ing spot on if he was quoted correctly or not.
This is ****ing sparta . "
- the rest of what Tyler Johnson said on July 23, 2007”
For god's sake....nobody cares about which club is better except you fools...and that's what you sound like....fools. Tyler Johnson? Any self respecting coach (i.e. adult/mentor/etc.) would be repulsed and ashamed if their swimmer got on a message board and spoke like that. Your pride is evident and enviable, but your delivery is unnecessary and inappropriate. The hard core attitude is just one of many approaches a coach and program can take, but your words and your attitude towards other programs, coaches and swimmers is sad. Your coach should be embarrassed.
I'm writing this from the Northeast, where we struggle with year-round swimming compared to warm weather climates. We do what we can up here with an absence of 50-meter pools and 9-10 out of 12 months spent indoors. However, as usual....I can say....it was great to see another program and coach going about things their way. So thanks again Garrett. I don't care about Baylor or NAC, nor do I know the coaches or swimmers on each club. So....keep your little Spartan battles (by the way, that was strange and a bit cheesy) in the state of Tennessee....preferably in the pool.
Anonymous Coward said: “flack was one place away from coaching his 2ND gold medal club - RSA was gold medal while he was head coach
pretty awesome i think the way he adapts his training each season
I have seen these guys warm up & warm down at meets and been really impressed - lots of constant coaching going on - they do swim well that last morning as he talked about
like others said, talk to this guy and you will learn a think or to, and he will probably ask you a bunch of questions as well
he just had a boy win german nationals in the 1500 - 1528 & 354 400- that is a pretty big meet and the kids was in no way supposed to win”
flack was one place away from coaching his 2ND gold medal club - RSA was gold medal while he was head coach
pretty awesome i think the way he adapts his training each season
I have seen these guys warm up & warm down at meets and been really impressed - lots of constant coaching going on - they do swim well that last morning as he talked about
like others said, talk to this guy and you will learn a think or to, and he will probably ask you a bunch of questions as well
he just had a boy win german nationals in the 1500 - 1528 & 354 400- that is a pretty big meet and the kids was in no way supposed to win
i dont understand why people from nashville are complaining, someone said it before, nac is a better club team so why do you need to take away from baylor. coach flack is a great coach who has a good eye for the sport. yeah baylor is one of the best high school teams in the country, but they are basically a smaller club team swimming against othe high school. thats why they usually win state, but go to bigger meets and arent at the top. flack has done a great job with his swimmers, so who cares how they warm up, becuase apparently it works well enough.
anyone who wants to advance their knowledge of the sport should sit down & talk to flack - smart guy who really is a student & historian of the sport - he can tell you in detail everything from reverse periodization to the insane sets he did while swimming & coaching with shoulberg at germantown back in the day
and as someone who swam for him - if you think he is touchy feely - wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwow - ah, no, pretty hard cire on many levels
Why is NAC trying to take away from Baylor's warm up video? If they were really that good they would not have to keep bragging about themselves on a video that isn't even theirs. Learn some humility. Great swimmers never have to brag because their times show it. Great people are respectful of others.
Tyler Johnson Fan said: “"NAC is not touchy feely. NAC is balls, NAC is kids swimming fast, NAC is hard, socially and physically. No one cares how your day went, if little suzy broke up with you, or if you have a zit on your ass. No one cares because the watch doesn't care. The water doesn't care. The water washes away all of that and you're left with your desire and determination to be faster than the guy next to you on the blocks. We never bred normal team chemistry, we bred elitism. We bred elitism because we are elite, accept no substitutes. The team chemistry I grew up in was that of competitive support, you were slakcin, your balls were busted, you dont give 100% and leave only puke in the gutter, you were shunned in the locker room. I dont know when the pussification of the US began but NAC doesnt breed pansies it breeds national champions."
"NAC is not touchy feely. NAC is balls, NAC is kids swimming fast, NAC is hard, socially and physically. No one cares how your day went, if little suzy broke up with you, or if you have a zit on your ass. No one cares because the watch doesn't care. The water doesn't care. The water washes away all of that and you're left with your desire and determination to be faster than the guy next to you on the blocks. We never bred normal team chemistry, we bred elitism. We bred elitism because we are elite, accept no substitutes. The team chemistry I grew up in was that of competitive support, you were slakcin, your balls were busted, you dont give 100% and leave only puke in the gutter, you were shunned in the locker room. I dont know when the pussification of the US began but NAC doesnt breed pansies it breeds national champions."
Garrett is going to be getting NAC also. He had a chance to get both Baylor and NAC in a week, along with the Sizzler, and he took it. It's amazing the work Garrett does in getting around the country, so just appreciate it.
Anonymous Coward said: “Did you guys ever think that NAC didn't offer to have Garrett come down and interview them? Garrett can't just do whatever he wants...”
warm up is same format but rarely the same drills, they are always different, working on a particular part of the stroke
the sprints at the end are incredibly competitive and great racing
Coach Flacks practices are insanely creative and engaging, we never know what new drilll or piece of equipment is going to get thrown at us
don't let this fool you - Coach is as outside of the box as they get
Baylor was nothing before Coach got here, now for example that group he is working with in the video has 5 world champ trials qualifiers, and all the rest have at least summer junior cuts - aside from Alison none had sectional cuts when he got here
another group of kids was doing an insane kettlebell / box jump circuit outside - real prehistoric
and the facts don't lie - top combined high school program in the country, 2nd & 3rd at juniors, 4th last spring- seven high school kids swimming olympic trial cuts last summer -
so stop the hatin when you have no clue
STOP HATIN! omg yall are so hatin right now its not even funny! grow up! get over youreselves and be open to different stuff! god! Baylor is an awesome team and yall just need to accept it and move on! And quit complaining nobodys at NAC! he might come and see yall later haha
its sad you have to "assign" a coach to warmdown. If the athletes know whats best for their recovery, and best for their bodies, they will warm down properly. From experience, doing the same warmup was such a drag becasue it was the same thing over and over, and their was no excitement or variety. Bad interview, this guy should look at the top programs and come out of his prehistoric cave.
Anonymous Coward said: “Baylor is still no where near NAC as shown at this past meet. On top of that NAC just graduated it's best class in history, and arguably the best in the nation. Then was still able to have two relays beat them. I know Garrett has alot to as said before in this thread, but to leave a Nashville team of that calliber to go to Baylor is a little upsurd.”
Very true... graduated wilcox, lovelace, johson, slaughter... all who made NCAA's. On top of that they also graduated other very skilled swimmers. Then were still able to go 1 and 2 in that fashion. Very impressive!
Back to the video, I know Flack pretty well - he told me the Salo book influenced him to try this style of warming up - because his old school warm ups used to be just crazy - and he is sold on this style It really is amazing if you sit next to him at a big meet on how he can call what the kids are going to do - great coach who is always taking different approaches to get kids to improve
Baylor is still no where near NAC as shown at this past meet. On top of that NAC just graduated it's best class in history, and arguably the best in the nation. Then was still able to have two relays beat them. I know Garrett has alot to as said before in this thread, but to leave a Nashville team of that calliber to go to Baylor is a little upsurd.
Anonymous said: “Baylor is now the top silver medal club after not being anywhere close under other coaches. What Dan has done at Baylor is remarkable. They are a small team but they are pretty incredible. Baylor was at the culmination of their training at the summer sizzler. ”
NAC is a small team compared to the other gold medal ranking clubs. NAC was also at peak training at the sizzler, yet those NAC boys didn't need an excuse when they went 1-2 in the medley relay.
Baylor is now the top silver medal club after not being anywhere close under other coaches. What Dan has done at Baylor is remarkable. They are a small team but they are pretty incredible. Baylor was at the culmination of their training at the summer sizzler. Learn some respect people. NAC has always been great. Baylor has stepped up to that level under Dan Flack. Sometimes the journey to greatness is what needs to be seen. Garret let you see a little piece of it.
Baylor was 2nd at Juniors in Austin, 3rd at Juniors in Orlando, was the most improved team in the country in the club excellence program, set several national age group records, has six local high school kids qualified for World Champ Trials, and just had one of the boarding students go 1528 to win German nationals in the 1500 - all this outside of the high school swimming performances which willh ave both boys & girls programs near the top nationally.
NAC is a great program with a great history, but the improvement of Baylor over the last three years since Flack arrived is impressive to say the least - who outside of Chattanooga had ever even heard of Baylor four or five years ago
Joe Z said: “Another thing I can't fathom is how you at leat didn't even interview John Morse. Please tell me this is one big joke Garrett. Baylor?”
Yeah, I can't even begin to try to fathom why you don't interview all the clubs that we swim for! I mean there are 24 hours in a day, and if you travel by jet without any sleep you can probably bag 4 teams a day. I mean seriously Garrett, you don't need to sleep or eat or anything.
doing the same warmup everyday is, in my opinion, awful. i think that doing around the same amount of yardage daily for warmup is fine, but the same set(s) get very repetitive. i believe that switching it up and doing a variety of exercises keeps my mind and body fresh...which is huge if you plan on swimming at a high level for many years. also, at the end of season, i find that when tapered my body doesn't need the same kind of warmup. i think it's ultimately up to the athlete to know their bodies enough to decide what they need for warmup
War Eagle said: “Garrett not trying to say you made a mistake, but you made a huge mistake. You were just at Navhille Aquactic Club for the meet, and you went to Baylor to film one of their workouts over NAC. After NAC just dominated them in every aspect of the meet having their A and B relays crush Baylor's A. A team with multiple trial swimmers and the guys on NAC have a legitimate shot to take Junior Nationals and they are sending multiple people to Worlds and Open. Baylor may be sending three guys to Juniors? I'm still in shock we haven't seen a John Morse workout.”
Another thing I can't fathom is how you at leat didn't even interview John Morse. Please tell me this is one big joke Garrett. Baylor?
Garrett not trying to say you made a mistake, but you made a huge mistake. You were just at Navhille Aquactic Club for the meet, and you went to Baylor to film one of their workouts over NAC. After NAC just dominated them in every aspect of the meet having their A and B relays crush Baylor's A. A team with multiple trial swimmers and the guys on NAC have a legitimate shot to take Junior Nationals and they are sending multiple people to Worlds and Open. Baylor may be sending three guys to Juniors? I'm still in shock we haven't seen a John Morse workout.
As someone who hates everything about Baylor School, I will try not to brag on them too much, but I have to say that right now as a program they are looking much better than Peddie and they have been the top prep school in the nation the past two years. However, they have graduated a lot of seniors and will be challenged for the Tennessee state championship this upcoming year.
ha, if you swim for Coach Flack you get alot of great information, education and fun, but one thing for sure - NO ONE is allowed to be is spoiled - it is amazing what he & Coach Tom have done with ALL the kids in this program
it is a variation of the same warm-up but usually it doesn't it doesn't get to repetitive. i guess you get used to it. the focus of warm up usually varies day to day and from am to pm practice
For Nelson and Tom, this pool has just opened in the last 5 years. Before this facility, Peddie had a much, much, much nicer pool than Baylor. Baylor had a 6 lane, 25 yard pool that was at most 4 1/2 feet deep in the middle of the pool. The school invested the money to build a new pool, since their old one was going to be shut down.
I don't think it's fair to call them any more spoiled than the kids at Peddie. Geoff Gaberino is a Baylor alum that won a gold medal at the 1984 games.
It's something that every swimmers does at least once a day, and at Baylor it's the same approach everyday. Starting each practice and meet off with the same warm up is something Baylor Head Coach Dan Flack does for very specific reasons... June 30, 2009
Ok, I've been pretty good about releasing a workout a week so I figure for the sake of alliteration I should start doing a Weekly Wednesday Workout. What do you think?
Warm Up At Baylor
It looks like you can see more about Coach Flack's wamups in one the most recent issues of Swimming World.
Dave Salo has always run the same warmup as well. However, his warmups are usually 1000 yards, which opens up some more time for a more specific warmup going into the set....which I like better.
However, I do think Coach Flack does a great job generally with his swimmers. Just stating my opinion>
“why?”
“Baylor sucks big pooop balls”
swimming isnt about whos got the most class
its all about going fast
tyler johnson swam for NAC, and UofA..he went like 19.3 in his 50 free way before any suits..i wouldnt say john morse supports the way that he chose to write his thoughts on nac, but im sure morse supports the general idea of what he was saying..anyway this quote was taken out of context in the first place, and didnt even need to appear here, honestly i think garret should take down all the quotes that dont have anything to do with this video (including this one) because people who dont have much to talk about when backing up their club are actually embarrassing themselves and their club. obviously baylor is a good high school team, and is getting to be a better club team probably mostly due to flacks coaching and his ability to motivate his swimmers to do what it takes.
“I was the person saying that NAC and Morse should be ashamed of Tyler Johnson's comments. You say that I don't understand who he is and that quote. What I DO understand is self-respect, class and allowing your performance to speak for itself. I don't care who Tyler Johnson is and I'm not sure what's to "understand" about him or the quote. I've worked with, spoken to and spent time with some of the top coaches in the country.....and if John Morse counts himself among those (or wishes to), he would never endorse or support Tyler's comments.”
I'm sorry, but no one here is impressed by your team's post-workout bulimia.
“Whoever was saying NAC and John Morse should be ashamed of Tyler Johnson doesn't understand who Tyler Johnson is and doesn't understand that quote at all.”
And whoever said "how can you say they do bad in big meets lol," Did you miss the medley-relay comments?
“jarvis werkhaven is definitely the kobe bryant of swimming
i wouldnt be surprised to see him break 18 at next year's state high school meet”
AINT GOT NO CHANCE
i want to see what kind of a practice their sprint group does
it must be pretty hardcore
i wouldnt be surprised to see him break 18 at next year's state high school meet
swimming 9
“"And John Morse , for me, is the driving force of this culture. Through his brand of tough love and strange humor this man gave me more experiences and lessons that would stick with me than my own father. you better ****ing believe we'll be defensive, possessive, and johny on the ****ing spot on if he was quoted correctly or not.
This is ****ing sparta . "
- the rest of what Tyler Johnson said on July 23, 2007”
I'm writing this from the Northeast, where we struggle with year-round swimming compared to warm weather climates. We do what we can up here with an absence of 50-meter pools and 9-10 out of 12 months spent indoors. However, as usual....I can say....it was great to see another program and coach going about things their way. So thanks again Garrett. I don't care about Baylor or NAC, nor do I know the coaches or swimmers on each club. So....keep your little Spartan battles (by the way, that was strange and a bit cheesy) in the state of Tennessee....preferably in the pool.
“is NAC really THAT intense?
”
“flack was one place away from coaching his 2ND gold medal club - RSA was gold medal while he was head coach
pretty awesome i think the way he adapts his training each season
I have seen these guys warm up & warm down at meets and been really impressed - lots of constant coaching going on - they do swim well that last morning as he talked about
like others said, talk to this guy and you will learn a think or to, and he will probably ask you a bunch of questions as well
he just had a boy win german nationals in the 1500 - 1528 & 354 400- that is a pretty big meet and the kids was in no way supposed to win”
pretty awesome i think the way he adapts his training each season
I have seen these guys warm up & warm down at meets and been really impressed - lots of constant coaching going on - they do swim well that last morning as he talked about
like others said, talk to this guy and you will learn a think or to, and he will probably ask you a bunch of questions as well
he just had a boy win german nationals in the 1500 - 1528 & 354 400- that is a pretty big meet and the kids was in no way supposed to win
and as someone who swam for him - if you think he is touchy feely - wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwow - ah, no, pretty hard cire on many levels
or can they say they are that intense because they have the reputation for being a very good swim team?
“"NAC is not touchy feely. NAC is balls, NAC is kids swimming fast, NAC is hard, socially and physically. No one cares how your day went, if little suzy broke up with you, or if you have a zit on your ass. No one cares because the watch doesn't care. The water doesn't care. The water washes away all of that and you're left with your desire and determination to be faster than the guy next to you on the blocks. We never bred normal team chemistry, we bred elitism. We bred elitism because we are elite, accept no substitutes. The team chemistry I grew up in was that of competitive support, you were slakcin, your balls were busted, you dont give 100% and leave only puke in the gutter, you were shunned in the locker room. I dont know when the pussification of the US began but NAC doesnt breed pansies it breeds national champions."
- Tyler Johnson, NAC Alum, July 23, 2007”
- Tyler Johnson, NAC Alum, July 23, 2007
“Did you guys ever think that NAC didn't offer to have Garrett come down and interview them? Garrett can't just do whatever he wants...”
dude is an amazing coach
warm up is same format but rarely the same drills, they are always different, working on a particular part of the stroke
the sprints at the end are incredibly competitive and great racing
Coach Flacks practices are insanely creative and engaging, we never know what new drilll or piece of equipment is going to get thrown at us
don't let this fool you - Coach is as outside of the box as they get
Baylor was nothing before Coach got here, now for example that group he is working with in the video has 5 world champ trials qualifiers, and all the rest have at least summer junior cuts - aside from Alison none had sectional cuts when he got here
another group of kids was doing an insane kettlebell / box jump circuit outside - real prehistoric
and the facts don't lie - top combined high school program in the country, 2nd & 3rd at juniors, 4th last spring- seven high school kids swimming olympic trial cuts last summer -
so stop the hatin when you have no clue
“Baylor is still no where near NAC as shown at this past meet. On top of that NAC just graduated it's best class in history, and arguably the best in the nation. Then was still able to have two relays beat them. I know Garrett has alot to as said before in this thread, but to leave a Nashville team of that calliber to go to Baylor is a little upsurd.”
“Baylor is now the top silver medal club after not being anywhere close under other coaches. What Dan has done at Baylor is remarkable. They are a small team but they are pretty incredible. Baylor was at the culmination of their training at the summer sizzler. ”
“Baylor just had one of the boarding students go 1528 to win German nationals in the 1500”
NAC is a great program with a great history, but the improvement of Baylor over the last three years since Flack arrived is impressive to say the least - who outside of Chattanooga had ever even heard of Baylor four or five years ago
“Another thing I can't fathom is how you at leat didn't even interview John Morse. Please tell me this is one big joke Garrett. Baylor?”
“Garrett not trying to say you made a mistake, but you made a huge mistake. You were just at Navhille Aquactic Club for the meet, and you went to Baylor to film one of their workouts over NAC. After NAC just dominated them in every aspect of the meet having their A and B relays crush Baylor's A. A team with multiple trial swimmers and the guys on NAC have a legitimate shot to take Junior Nationals and they are sending multiple people to Worlds and Open. Baylor may be sending three guys to Juniors? I'm still in shock we haven't seen a John Morse workout.”
“Man...that is a nice high school pool. I swam at Peddie (Hightstown, NJ) and our pool was a dump compared the the Baylor pool.”
I don't think it's fair to call them any more spoiled than the kids at Peddie. Geoff Gaberino is a Baylor alum that won a gold medal at the 1984 games.