wow annonymous you say hes 22nd in the world an you think thats bad??? Thats pretty cold man.... he can beat everyone in the world except for a small handful and you critcize him??? He went to the olympics. Cut him some slack
Anonymous Coward said: “lets not even forget how many PROS around the world that arent even in college or dont race scy that could spank cullen jones, cielo, grevers, wildman-tobriner, bousquet, bernard, sullivan, bovell, copeland, webergale, nystrand, amary leveaux im sure if lochte trained for the 50 he could beat him cause he has been 19.2........................so by my count of just the people i named and the 9 people from ncaa's, cullen jones is sitting 22nd in the world right now, he would barely make a C final, fast sure but you have to look at all the details and facts and compare to what the rest of the world is doing, and what the rest of the world is doing is blowing past cullen jones, someone on here said he did maybe what 3 months of training since beijing, i recall matt grevers racing about 3 months after the olympics and saying he really hadnt been training that much at all and going 18.9, so thats no excuse for jones”
seriously? said: “not everyone goes fast everytime they swim? this is ridiculous that you guys are comparing his time at a sectionals meet to times at ncaas. are you guys serious?”
so are you arguing that cullen jones didnt shave and taper and try to go fast at this meet, especially working out with his team who obviously seems like they are tapered for this meet to make cuts?
not everyone goes fast everytime they swim? this is ridiculous that you guys are comparing his time at a sectionals meet to times at ncaas. are you guys serious?
lets not even forget how many PROS around the world that arent even in college or dont race scy that could spank cullen jones, cielo, grevers, wildman-tobriner, bousquet, bernard, sullivan, bovell, copeland, webergale, nystrand, amary leveaux im sure if lochte trained for the 50 he could beat him cause he has been 19.2........................so by my count of just the people i named and the 9 people from ncaa's, cullen jones is sitting 22nd in the world right now, he would barely make a C final, fast sure but you have to look at all the details and facts and compare to what the rest of the world is doing, and what the rest of the world is doing is blowing past cullen jones, someone on here said he did maybe what 3 months of training since beijing, i recall matt grevers racing about 3 months after the olympics and saying he really hadnt been training that much at all and going 18.9, so thats no excuse for jones
haha, i was going to post the same thing, but actually 9 COLLEGE swimmers beat jones so called insanely fast time, the top 8 finishers and actually one of the guys (Barry Murphy) went 19.14 in the prelims but slower at night. HOWEVER, people need to realize that cullen jones only trains for sprint freestyle, nothing else. also, he is training under probably who most consider the BEST sprint coach in the world along side mike bottom and brett hawke. so if i were cullen jones, i wouldnt be too pleased with myself for that with a lzr on when i know i went fast when i swam 3 years ago at podunk ass NC state with a coach who isnt nearly as smart or credible as david marsh
Cullen Jones is the man. This race was done with a lzr, so what? THIS MEET MEANT NOTHING TO HIM. He has been training for what, three months since the Olympics? Shut up haters and get off his ass. Maybe one day you can dream of going this fast.
um i think gary hall jr has a different excuse and gets a pass as a past olympic champion and a bronze in the 100, he is 34 and has been through 3 olympics already, and he is retired now, besides, gary hall jr doesnt race short course yards
Anonymous Coward said: “i understand what you are say, but in todays modern age (loosely meaning the past 7 months) 19.1 isnt too fast anymore, i mean considering the guy we are talking about going 19.1 took 2nd at worlds a year or two ago and now he is wearing the fastest suit ever i mean there are already 7 guys in college who are 19.1 or better, and then there are a handful of pro's that have gone under that time as well (grevers, bousquet, bovell, cielo, copeland) i mean jones is kind of a one trick pony that he only swims the 50 and 100 freestyle, everyone else that only swims freestyle (cielo and lezak) are either olympic champions or have split the fastest 100 in history! im just saying since the olympics jones has a lot to prove and going 19.1 isnt it. i would almost guarantee that before he did that 19.1 most people expected him to go 18 something since he was wearing a lzr”
i understand what you are say, but in todays modern age (loosely meaning the past 7 months) 19.1 isnt too fast anymore, i mean considering the guy we are talking about going 19.1 took 2nd at worlds a year or two ago and now he is wearing the fastest suit ever i mean there are already 7 guys in college who are 19.1 or better, and then there are a handful of pro's that have gone under that time as well (grevers, bousquet, bovell, cielo, copeland) i mean jones is kind of a one trick pony that he only swims the 50 and 100 freestyle, everyone else that only swims freestyle (cielo and lezak) are either olympic champions or have split the fastest 100 in history! im just saying since the olympics jones has a lot to prove and going 19.1 isnt it. i would almost guarantee that before he did that 19.1 most people expected him to go 18 something since he was wearing a lzr
Jonah Takalua said: “If Roethlisberger hadn't thrown that interception then the Steelers wouldn't have had to march down the field with two minutes left and score a touchdown to win the game. Clearly Roethlisberger was still stuck in Super Bowl 40 form and shouldn't have started.”
yes, but it was Rothlisberger who ALSO THREW THE WINNING TOUCHDOWN!
Okay so i think most of us will agree that Cullen Jones was the weak link of the relay but whos to say he didnt earn being on the team.
For the US I it was Definetly about fresh bodies,grevers had the 100 back semis and this was gonna be jones only race when 2 swimmers are that close it times you always give it to the fresher guy.
and to say 19.1 isnt impressive is stupid,only a handful of guys have gone 18 so for anyone to hate on 19.1 is just ignorant.
this doesnt make any sense. these guys are 2 of the best sprinters in the world. the coaches obviously figured that cullen would drop at least a half a second. he obviously didnt, but this is swimming we are talking about. one minor thing at the beginning of a 100 can affect the whole race. i would love to think that grevers would have made the relay a half a second faster but who can tell? hindsight is 20/20, at the time cullen was the correct choice
Anonymous Coward said: “youre completely missing the point, im saying cullen jones tanked and it took a jason lezak 46.0 for them to even win that race and that jones clearly wasnt ready to swim that race”
If Roethlisberger hadn't thrown that interception then the Steelers wouldn't have had to march down the field with two minutes left and score a touchdown to win the game. Clearly Roethlisberger was still stuck in Super Bowl 40 form and shouldn't have started.
youre completely missing the point, im saying cullen jones tanked and it took a jason lezak 46.0 for them to even win that race and that jones clearly wasnt ready to swim that race
Anonymous Coward said: “come on, garret weber gales best 50 is 21.4, and he went out in 21.8, lezaks best 50 is maybe what, 21.8? he went out in 21.5, all the frenchmen went out in 21's, at the time bousquets best 50 was 21.5 i believe and he went out and he went out 21.9, bernard went out 21.2, obviously a little too fast, his best at the time was 21.3/4/d something like that, THEN YOU HAVE CULLEN JONES ON THE GOLD MEDAL LEADING WORLD RECORD HOLDING USA RELAY TEAM JUMP IN AND GO OUT 22.68? ARE YOU KIDDING, HIS BEST 50 AT THE TIME (21.59) WAS NOT SIGNIFICANTLY FARTHER BEHIND ANY OF THESE GUYS, bottom line, jones tanked at olympics, and you can say oh well how can you say jones went 47 and tanked, well jones went 47 on the freestyle relay before and that was without a LZR and not on the worlds biggest stage, THE OLYMPIC FINALS”
This is like Steeler's fans complaining about Roethlisberger throwing an interception in this past superbowl.
I love Cullen Jones, but I would say without a doubt in my mind that with somthing as big as that gold medal on the line, I think Grevers would have been 46.9 at the least.
come on, garret weber gales best 50 is 21.4, and he went out in 21.8, lezaks best 50 is maybe what, 21.8? he went out in 21.5, all the frenchmen went out in 21's, at the time bousquets best 50 was 21.5 i believe and he went out and he went out 21.9, bernard went out 21.2, obviously a little too fast, his best at the time was 21.3/4/d something like that, THEN YOU HAVE CULLEN JONES ON THE GOLD MEDAL LEADING WORLD RECORD HOLDING USA RELAY TEAM JUMP IN AND GO OUT 22.68? ARE YOU KIDDING, HIS BEST 50 AT THE TIME (21.59) WAS NOT SIGNIFICANTLY FARTHER BEHIND ANY OF THESE GUYS, bottom line, jones tanked at olympics, and you can say oh well how can you say jones went 47 and tanked, well jones went 47 on the freestyle relay before and that was without a LZR and not on the worlds biggest stage, THE OLYMPIC FINALS
all im saying is in the aftermath of how things went down and how slowwwww cullen jones went out, i would have taken grevers, obviously its almost impossible to pick grevers ahead of jones that day given the morning, grevers doing the 100 back at night, and cullen jones being a past member of that relay team, im saying if you dont think grevers would have done a better job than jones on that relay youre crazy, your so called "rested" cullen jones went slower at night, grevers would have at least brought it that first 50, and not in no 22.68
all of you guys seem to be forgetting that grevers also had the 100 back finals that night, very close to the 4x100 relay... that was most likely a major factor in the selection of jones to the final relay, plus he split faster on the prelims relay than grevers did
i would take a rested, fresh cullen jones in a relay over a tired matt grevers any day. and matt grevers is my favorite swimmer. if grevers didnt have the 100 back, he would have been the better choice IMO, but jones still had a fast split, and he was against fred bousquet, who is one of the fastest guys on the planet...
how could the national team coaches have picked anyone else? "well cullen split the fastest but we're gonna go with grevers cuz even though he was slower, we think he can go faster." imagine how much crap they would have got from the swimming community for doing that. I dont think the experience played into it at all, considering they took Keller off the 800 relay even though he was the one that held of thorpe 4 years ago and clearly had more experience. swimming is a great sport because its so objective. Cullen and Ricky Berens went the faster times, they get the relay spot. its that simple. and guess what? it turned out pretty awesome for america.
Monday Morning Quarterback March 11, 2009 at 12:38pm
Its easy to speculate who would have been better looking back, but no one here can say for sure that anyone else would have split faster than Cullen. That race marked the 3rd time Cullen was on a team that broke the 4x100 world record ('06 Pan Pacs, prelims in Beijing), so his experience and prelim time made him the best choice for that relay
look im not bashing cullen jones, fast swimmer no doubt, but on that day, he was the 5th best swimmer that could have been on that relay, yea cullen jones swam all of a tenth faster in the morning, but either way i think the coaches were determined to go with jones anyway because jones has been a part of that relay for a while now and on the relay that set the WR in the past, however, cullen jones DID NOT show up that night to swim, he went out all scared and slow because he was afraid of dying and let fred bousquet blow by him in the first 30 meters without putting up a fight, for the skeptics doubting me, cullen jones went out his first 50 in 22.68, the second slowest relay leg 50 split out of the top 5 teams!!!!! and youre talking about the third leg of a guy on the team with the olympic lead with the world record. come on, youre talking a guy who goes 21.5 flat start 50 going out 22.68 on a relay start????? please, grevers definately would have shown you what size balls come with that 6'7 frame
trust me, clean water, clear water, white water, whatever, you will always swim faster when you are neck and neck with someone seeing them everytime you breath as opposed to being alone
true....... cullen jones only outsplit grevers by .16 in the morning prelims and grevers jumped in and swam that anchor leg all alone and jones was second leg and still had people around him to race as jones was 4th when he jumped in
NO WAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!I WOULD HAVE RATHER LOVED TO SEE WHAT MATT GREVERS COULD HAVE DONE ON THAT RELAY IN THE CHAMPIONSHIPS, OUTSIDE OF LEZAK AND PHELPS, GREVERS WAS PROBABLY IN THE BEST PERSONAL SHAPE OF HIS LIFE COMPARED TO THE OTHER OLYMPIC MEMBERS
what was so impressive about TX meet...a couple of go swims by sprinters and the breaststroker, besides that MEH...and who really cares at this point in the season...
i dunno how you got daren's name but that was pretty messed up. also i dunno where you got his times cuz i swim with him and he is consistantly hitting 21 flat start and 20 on relays and he has only been swimming for 4 years.
all that he is saying is at this point a TOP level athelete (we are putting cullen jones in that category because he is one) going a 19 just is not that impressive. we've already had 4 guys it think hit 18 before ncaa and they are not professionals. And why wasnt cullen at the texas grand prix racing the big boys not to mention getting to race some meters which is what really matters. Just coming back is an excuse, and if you make excuses you are only cheating yourself. Fred bousquet went an 18.74 after he just came back , o and he had practice that morning. American sprinting is going down the drain unless people learn to step up to any challenge any place anytime. just look at the auburn guys if you want to know what kind of mindset people of cullen jones caliber need to have
I dont think that anyone is saying this is not a fast time, because it definitely is, but for someone as fast as cullen jones fast times are different than your average swimmer.
disclaimer: i have never and will never go this fast and i know that so dont bother telling me that
To: Daren Brubaker or "sullo" whichever you prefer to go by.
I really wasn't intending to respond to any "hater" comments made about any of the videos that I uploaded but the fact that you can't even use your own name when you cut people down (Olympians no less) is pretty pathetic. That time that Cullen posted is nearly 3 seconds faster than you, yourself posted in the 50 free swimming for your college team this past Feb. but no one is criticizing your performance or lack thereof.
Cullen came to this meet because he's a part of SwimMAC Carolina and he embraces the team concept that we are trying to build here and enjoys being a positive role model for our swimmers (the same goes for Mark Gangloff). And the last time I checked the U.S. did win the Gold Medal in that relay so quit the hating and instead try to learn from the greats and continue to improve yourself. Take advantage of this site as a resource for you to get better and not cut down people that are worlds ahead of you athletically.
he deserved the spot on the relay because of the way he performed at trials and prelims. its just as much his fault as every other swimmer in america for not being faster than him. keep in mind, also that at that point, fred's split on that relay was the fastest in history.
Anytime someone goes a WCT cut, its worth posting. I don't understand why someone would comment on this video saying it's not impressive... It's very impressive. Cullen Jones is truly talented and it's exciting to see him swim.. period. I don't think "he's got nothing," he's an idol to a ton of American swimmers from different backgrounds
give the man a break, he's at senior sectionals 6 months after the olympics. not exactly a high priority. i'm sure he'll swim well in the future, and i think it is absolutely unfair to blame the relay scare on him- he was the best the US had to offer, and other people (MP) could have picked up the slack.
- Michael Palin
This is really ridiculous that almost 3 months after this swim people are still hatin'.
“lets not even forget how many PROS around the world that arent even in college or dont race scy that could spank cullen jones, cielo, grevers, wildman-tobriner, bousquet, bernard, sullivan, bovell, copeland, webergale, nystrand, amary leveaux im sure if lochte trained for the 50 he could beat him cause he has been 19.2........................so by my count of just the people i named and the 9 people from ncaa's, cullen jones is sitting 22nd in the world right now, he would barely make a C final, fast sure but you have to look at all the details and facts and compare to what the rest of the world is doing, and what the rest of the world is doing is blowing past cullen jones, someone on here said he did maybe what 3 months of training since beijing, i recall matt grevers racing about 3 months after the olympics and saying he really hadnt been training that much at all and going 18.9, so thats no excuse for jones”
“not everyone goes fast everytime they swim? this is ridiculous that you guys are comparing his time at a sectionals meet to times at ncaas. are you guys serious?”
“8 just went under this "pros" time”
Can't wait until thursday!!
There are MAYBE 4 Americans who can go faster.
“i understand what you are say, but in todays modern age (loosely meaning the past 7 months) 19.1 isnt too fast anymore, i mean considering the guy we are talking about going 19.1 took 2nd at worlds a year or two ago and now he is wearing the fastest suit ever i mean there are already 7 guys in college who are 19.1 or better, and then there are a handful of pro's that have gone under that time as well (grevers, bousquet, bovell, cielo, copeland) i mean jones is kind of a one trick pony that he only swims the 50 and 100 freestyle, everyone else that only swims freestyle (cielo and lezak) are either olympic champions or have split the fastest 100 in history! im just saying since the olympics jones has a lot to prove and going 19.1 isnt it. i would almost guarantee that before he did that 19.1 most people expected him to go 18 something since he was wearing a lzr”
“If Roethlisberger hadn't thrown that interception then the Steelers wouldn't have had to march down the field with two minutes left and score a touchdown to win the game. Clearly Roethlisberger was still stuck in Super Bowl 40 form and shouldn't have started.”
For the US I it was Definetly about fresh bodies,grevers had the 100 back semis and this was gonna be jones only race when 2 swimmers are that close it times you always give it to the fresher guy.
and to say 19.1 isnt impressive is stupid,only a handful of guys have gone 18 so for anyone to hate on 19.1 is just ignorant.
“youre completely missing the point, im saying cullen jones tanked and it took a jason lezak 46.0 for them to even win that race and that jones clearly wasnt ready to swim that race”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5L20vWjMUA
“come on, garret weber gales best 50 is 21.4, and he went out in 21.8, lezaks best 50 is maybe what, 21.8? he went out in 21.5, all the frenchmen went out in 21's, at the time bousquets best 50 was 21.5 i believe and he went out and he went out 21.9, bernard went out 21.2, obviously a little too fast, his best at the time was 21.3/4/d something like that, THEN YOU HAVE CULLEN JONES ON THE GOLD MEDAL LEADING WORLD RECORD HOLDING USA RELAY TEAM JUMP IN AND GO OUT 22.68? ARE YOU KIDDING, HIS BEST 50 AT THE TIME (21.59) WAS NOT SIGNIFICANTLY FARTHER BEHIND ANY OF THESE GUYS, bottom line, jones tanked at olympics, and you can say oh well how can you say jones went 47 and tanked, well jones went 47 on the freestyle relay before and that was without a LZR and not on the worlds biggest stage, THE OLYMPIC FINALS”
i would take a rested, fresh cullen jones in a relay over a tired matt grevers any day. and matt grevers is my favorite swimmer. if grevers didnt have the 100 back, he would have been the better choice IMO, but jones still had a fast split, and he was against fred bousquet, who is one of the fastest guys on the planet...
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all that he is saying is at this point a TOP level athelete (we are putting cullen jones in that category because he is one) going a 19 just is not that impressive. we've already had 4 guys it think hit 18 before ncaa and they are not professionals. And why wasnt cullen at the texas grand prix racing the big boys not to mention getting to race some meters which is what really matters. Just coming back is an excuse, and if you make excuses you are only cheating yourself. Fred bousquet went an 18.74 after he just came back , o and he had practice that morning. American sprinting is going down the drain unless people learn to step up to any challenge any place anytime. just look at the auburn guys if you want to know what kind of mindset people of cullen jones caliber need to have
I dont think that anyone is saying this is not a fast time, because it definitely is, but for someone as fast as cullen jones fast times are different than your average swimmer.
disclaimer: i have never and will never go this fast and i know that so dont bother telling me that
I really wasn't intending to respond to any "hater" comments made about any of the videos that I uploaded but the fact that you can't even use your own name when you cut people down (Olympians no less) is pretty pathetic. That time that Cullen posted is nearly 3 seconds faster than you, yourself posted in the 50 free swimming for your college team this past Feb. but no one is criticizing your performance or lack thereof.
Cullen came to this meet because he's a part of SwimMAC Carolina and he embraces the team concept that we are trying to build here and enjoys being a positive role model for our swimmers (the same goes for Mark Gangloff). And the last time I checked the U.S. did win the Gold Medal in that relay so quit the hating and instead try to learn from the greats and continue to improve yourself. Take advantage of this site as a resource for you to get better and not cut down people that are worlds ahead of you athletically.
he'll get under 19